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Insults of the Imperium

Cool. Let us know any viable assumptions. I've found Hiver books to be a dreary repeat of each other. Perhaps MgT has something. Haven't read it all.

So, if they consider it a challenge that's cool. But the game is up at that point. The cards are on the table. They've lost. A smart person would break away at that point. I cannot see tossing something in any sophonts direction and then coming back for more. That would be arrogant.

From GURPS Alien Races 3:
The Hiver parenting drive is so strong that it spills over into a drive to educate and improve other adult Hivers and other races as well. The means by which this is accomplished is the Hiver art called "manipulation," in which a Hiver secretly and subtly influences the acts of its fellows to guide them into a better way of living. Manipulation is a sophisticated practice, with many time-honored rules. At this point it is sufficient to note that a Hiver manipulator is setting itself up as putative "parent" to all of those that it seeks to manipulate. In fact, the Hiver terms for alien races reflect this: Fiiuh or "adult alien," and Fiyuh, "yearling alien." Fiiuh include the starfaring races, and Fiyuh covers basically every other race the Hivers come in contact with. The Hivers have never met a young race that could not use some improving. Note that the term "adult alien" does not mean that Hivers do not seek to manipulate these mature races. Hivers are perfectly willing to manipulate their fellow adult Hivers, and extend this courtesy to other races as well.

Bold and italic text is my emphasis, it seems to me that the subject Hiver might even thank you for being concerned enough for it's welfare that you took the time to "parent" it.
 
Bold and italic text is my emphasis, it seems to me that the subject Hiver might even thank you for being concerned enough for it's welfare that you took the time to "parent" it.

Might? But bad parenting is subject to embarrassment, humiliation perhaps.
 
Might? But bad parenting is subject to embarrassment, humiliation perhaps.

In the case of a Hiver manipulation, bad parenting would equate to a failed manipulation. Hivers typically don't reveal their failures. :rofl:

Cheers,

Baron Ovka
 
From GURPS Alien Races 3:
The Hiver parenting drive is so strong that it spills over into a drive to educate and improve other adult Hivers and other races as well. The means by which this is accomplished is the Hiver art called "manipulation," in which a Hiver secretly and subtly influences the acts of its fellows to guide them into a better way of living. Manipulation is a sophisticated practice, with many time-honored rules. At this point it is sufficient to note that a Hiver manipulator is setting itself up as putative "parent" to all of those that it seeks to manipulate. In fact, the Hiver terms for alien races reflect this: Fiiuh or "adult alien," and Fiyuh, "yearling alien." Fiiuh include the starfaring races, and Fiyuh covers basically every other race the Hivers come in contact with. The Hivers have never met a young race that could not use some improving. Note that the term "adult alien" does not mean that Hivers do not seek to manipulate these mature races. Hivers are perfectly willing to manipulate their fellow adult Hivers, and extend this courtesy to other races as well.

Bold and italic text is my emphasis, it seems to me that the subject Hiver might even thank you for being concerned enough for it's welfare that you took the time to "parent" it.

So much good stuff.

I can't wait until Hiver space is adequately or even minimally developed.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
 
In the case of a Hiver manipulation, bad parenting would equate to a failed manipulation. Hivers typically don't reveal their failures. :rofl:

Cheers,

Baron Ovka

Exactly. Well put.

I also agree with maksimsmelchak. A good, thorough exploration of Hivers society, region is long overdue.
 
From GURPS Alien Races 3:
The Hiver parenting drive is so strong that it spills over into a drive to educate and improve other adult Hivers and other races as well. The means by which this is accomplished is the Hiver art called "manipulation," in which a Hiver secretly and subtly influences the acts of its fellows to guide them into a better way of living. Manipulation is a sophisticated practice, with many time-honored rules. At this point it is sufficient to note that a Hiver manipulator is setting itself up as putative "parent" to all of those that it seeks to manipulate. In fact, the Hiver terms for alien races reflect this: Fiiuh or "adult alien," and Fiyuh, "yearling alien." Fiiuh include the starfaring races, and Fiyuh covers basically every other race the Hivers come in contact with. The Hivers have never met a young race that could not use some improving. Note that the term "adult alien" does not mean that Hivers do not seek to manipulate these mature races. Hivers are perfectly willing to manipulate their fellow adult Hivers, and extend this courtesy to other races as well.

Bold and italic text is my emphasis, it seems to me that the subject Hiver might even thank you for being concerned enough for it's welfare that you took the time to "parent" it.

'You couldn't manipulate a fiyuh even if your nest depended on it.'

Although, I'm not sure I want to brawl with a Hiver. They will likely scuttle the heck out of the bar at first opportunity, but I'm guessing those hand/feet/tentacles can do some damage as they run over you on the way out the door.

Their lizard war race would be up for a fight- 'Your mamma-' SMACK POW CLAW, not enough time to even get the insult out. Not sure they would get the cultural concept of limited damage in a bar brawl though, that might take some explaining and examples.
 
'You couldn't manipulate a fiyuh even if your nest depended on it.'

LOL! Perfect.

Although, I'm not sure I want to brawl with a Hiver. They will likely scuttle the heck out of the bar at first opportunity, but I'm guessing those hand/feet/tentacles can do some damage as they run over you on the way out the door.

Or somehow convince everyone else in the bar that you are their personal enemy.

Cheers,

Baron Ovka
 
Given the manipulation angle for Hivers I'd say a "Kick me" sign or other similar practical joke would be the big insult for one. Such a "joke" would provide public humiliation and say the Hiver involved is easily tricked. That it's public would add to the insult.
 
*** How much detail does the data have? ***

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

It's all on TravellerMap, you can look at it there.

EDIT: I should note, it's not entirely error-free (there are numerous worlds where the government and law level codes have clearly been swapped, e.g. Axoxack (1814 Blaskon) is listed as C65455S-9, which should be C6545S5-9.
 
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It's all on TravellerMap, you can look at it there.

EDIT: I should note, it's not entirely error-free (there are numerous worlds where the government and law level codes have clearly been swapped, e.g. Axoxack (1814 Blaskon) is listed as C65455S-9, which should be C6545S5-9.

Thank you!

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
 
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