Condottiere
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General Locks at varying tech levels
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Commander Truestar
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Adding the following:
TL E[14] (floating cities/Jump-5) - ??
-- Conversant System Security: A Near-Sentient computer converses with the person(s) attempting entry while bioscanners confirm they are the only persons in the entry chamber.
This can only work where:
1) All entrants are vetted and have been documented to a depth which allows the AI to deeply understand the entrant's histroy
2) All entrants have, as part of the authorization process, spent a half hour to hour talking to the AI, to establish a base line
3) Only entrants specifically permitted to, through long standing documentation, can bring in "unauthorized guests"
TL F[15] (Jump-6) - ??
--- Oxy-RNA Locking - A DNA reader which tastes the person attempting to enter.
Test 1: The RNA code sample tests to see if RNA data from the exposed DNA can "interlock" (Base pairs combine as either opposites or direct matches)
Test 2: The tissue exposed is tested for Oxygen exposure, so the very common exploit of 'using a dead guard's hand' will fail unless the exposure is made within 3 minutes of that person's death
Any other ideas for high level locks or locking systems?
TL E[14] (floating cities/Jump-5) - ??
-- Conversant System Security: A Near-Sentient computer converses with the person(s) attempting entry while bioscanners confirm they are the only persons in the entry chamber.
This can only work where:
1) All entrants are vetted and have been documented to a depth which allows the AI to deeply understand the entrant's histroy
2) All entrants have, as part of the authorization process, spent a half hour to hour talking to the AI, to establish a base line
3) Only entrants specifically permitted to, through long standing documentation, can bring in "unauthorized guests"
TL F[15] (Jump-6) - ??
--- Oxy-RNA Locking - A DNA reader which tastes the person attempting to enter.
Test 1: The RNA code sample tests to see if RNA data from the exposed DNA can "interlock" (Base pairs combine as either opposites or direct matches)
Test 2: The tissue exposed is tested for Oxygen exposure, so the very common exploit of 'using a dead guard's hand' will fail unless the exposure is made within 3 minutes of that person's death
Any other ideas for high level locks or locking systems?
Condottiere
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I suppose the Greeks could have devised a combination lock.
Commander Truestar
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@Condottiere
Given the technology proven in the Antikythera mechanism, it is certain the Greeks could have done this and more. However, I place them more at the top of TL 1 or even at the bottom of TL 2. Given the very great deal of archaeologic finds we've made over the past century, the best of the Roman empire was close to discoveries which could have sparked a Renaissance during their rule. And artifacts show the Greeks were at the leading edge of Roman technology.
Given the technology proven in the Antikythera mechanism, it is certain the Greeks could have done this and more. However, I place them more at the top of TL 1 or even at the bottom of TL 2. Given the very great deal of archaeologic finds we've made over the past century, the best of the Roman empire was close to discoveries which could have sparked a Renaissance during their rule. And artifacts show the Greeks were at the leading edge of Roman technology.
Commander Truestar
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Of course, that said, the Antikythera mechanism was an incredibly rare and valuable thing which was only accidentally preserved. So, that technology could not have been said to be pervasive at all. As a result, it was a forward-trending outlier of then-existing technology. So, it wouldn't have been enough to hang a tech level designation on 
Condottiere
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Or highly sophisticated marketing.
Planned obsolescence, and annual upgrades.
Planned obsolescence, and annual upgrades.
rlmercad069
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Or super science of its time.Of course, that said, the Antikythera mechanism was an incredibly rare and valuable thing which was only accidentally preserved. So, that technology could not have been said to be pervasive at all. As a result, it was a forward-trending outlier of then-existing technology. So, it wouldn't have been enough to hang a tech level designation on
mike wightman
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Greek fire was pervasive, and we lost the knowledge of what it was and how to make it.
Commander Truestar
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Not to get this thread off track, but we have to wonder.
Until they x-rayed and studied the Antikythera mechanism, it was "historical fact" that Greeks had only advanced to the state of "squared off" teeth on their gears. Suggestions their gear teeth came to points was considered beyond ridiculous.
So, we have to ask...
...Are we unable to recreate Greek fire because there is a process we are assuming they didn't have the knowledge to carry out?
...Or is it that there are materials we don't know about or know they used or had access to.
Just like tzitzit, the (תְּכֵלֶת), a "blue-violet" blue or turquoise dye prized by ancient Mediterranean cultures and, per Jewish tradition, used in the clothing of the High Priest. We can only now guess at both the "sea creature" then used and the process to create it. We can make modern analogs, but have to guess at the real thing.
And the tech for tzitzit, "Was" common tech in the time, even if expensive.
Not to get this thread off track, but we have to wonder.
Until they x-rayed and studied the Antikythera mechanism, it was "historical fact" that Greeks had only advanced to the state of "squared off" teeth on their gears. Suggestions their gear teeth came to points was considered beyond ridiculous.
So, we have to ask...
...Are we unable to recreate Greek fire because there is a process we are assuming they didn't have the knowledge to carry out?
...Or is it that there are materials we don't know about or know they used or had access to.
Just like tzitzit, the (תְּכֵלֶת), a "blue-violet" blue or turquoise dye prized by ancient Mediterranean cultures and, per Jewish tradition, used in the clothing of the High Priest. We can only now guess at both the "sea creature" then used and the process to create it. We can make modern analogs, but have to guess at the real thing.
And the tech for tzitzit, "Was" common tech in the time, even if expensive.
Commander Truestar
SOC-13
Agreed.
I am also SCA. One of the local Masters got his Laurel in stone masonry.
And, since so much of their work was hidden and only taught between Master and Apprentice or Journeyman, he could not document....only duplicate. Lucky for him, he had access to works in the NYC, Boston and Washington DC museums, so he could compare and contrast. So, duplication and number of created works were all he had to do and all he could be judged on.
Condottiere
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Apparently, the devices that da Vinci diagrams don't work when constructed, because he deliberately changes or leaves something out.
A number of them, it appears an extra gear was tossed in to prevent function. When one gear has two fed gears which mesh with each other, none of them turn.
Check out the Lock Picking Lawyer the amount of times he has shown some bleeding edge lock worth thousands (and a couple of times tens of thousands) of (US) dollars, that has a mechanical back up, normally a cheap wafer lock that he defeats quickly with simple tools (TL5 or even 4 equivalent) and a low skill attack or even improvised tools.
other times there is a simple design defect, like a drain hole at the bottom of the lock that let's you trip the mechanism with a paperclip or toothpick.
other times there is a simple design defect, like a drain hole at the bottom of the lock that let's you trip the mechanism with a paperclip or toothpick.
Condottiere
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You have to leave a backdoor, in case you lose the key, or the lock is inoperable.
Condottiere
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Presumably, unpickable.
kind of defeats the purpose of your super lock worth thousands to have a dollar store backup that can be defeated by a relative novice with basic tools.
Ok proving my point the latest from LPL, a Chonky smart pad lock retailing for just under 200 usd, defeated in less than five seconds with a well known over century old exploit, although he used proper tools they where simple ones that could be improvised in seconds from random junk.
Huge fan of the LPL
Great videos
But there's skill involved. I've fiddled with lock picking enough to know the guy's got a lot of skill and that's why he makes it look so easy.
Much respect.
Great videos
But there's skill involved. I've fiddled with lock picking enough to know the guy's got a lot of skill and that's why he makes it look so easy.
Much respect.
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