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What TL-16 planets exist in the Imperium? I have one in Deneb: Vincennes and Depot. Are there any in the Spinward Marches ?
Which, since the world generation systems back to Book 3 all state that TL 15 is the maximum Imperial tech level, may be considered a big fat error?Originally posted by Anthony:
There are a _lot_ of TL 16 worlds in the GENII files; Massilia is the leader, with 24(!) TL 16 worlds, including multiple Hi-pop worlds.
It's possible. I had a TL20 come up randomly.Originally posted by trader jim:
man....that caught my eye!!!!.....TL21......is ther such a critter anywhere???...where can i resd about it???
Sounds like Vincennes in Deneb sector, I think it's TL 16, very high pop...maybe even past pop A in the year 1200. If memory serves, it's also a little rockball, so they are lucky that they weren't in the "Wilds" during the Hard Times era, and dropped some Tech levels...I'm sure plently would die if they lost too much of their native TL.Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
Then there is Dethenes, Old Expanses, subsector A, a Hi pop, In, TL-16 world (Na-nonaligned) T-size+ (size A-A9AA??-G), which had at the collapse some 80 billions. And no gas giants!!!
A Non Imperial world, and the sole TL-16 system in the sector.(go figure! )
I checked the listing on grandsurvey.com. The UWP given was:Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
Then there is Dethenes, Old Expanses, subsector A, a Hi pop, In, TL-16 world (Na-nonaligned) T-size+ (size A-A9AA??-G), which had at the collapse some 80 billions. And no gas giants!!!
A Non Imperial world, and the sole TL-16 system in the sector.(go figure! )
Nah, with that tech level they can certainly build underwater cities. And probably floating ones too (in air and water).Originally posted by George Boyett:
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10s of billions governed by Rep. Republic with a low law level!
Not mention 90% water!
Why do I have a feeling dueling is allowed for controlling social and population pressures?
Nah, with that tech level they can certainly build underwater cities. And probably floating ones too (in air and water).</font>[/QUOTE]Even with the tech, they still go for smaller residences and arcologies. There still be a high pop density for the cities and plexes.Originally posted by Evil Dr Ganymede:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by George Boyett:
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10s of billions governed by Rep. Republic with a low law level!
Not mention 90% water!
Why do I have a feeling dueling is allowed for controlling social and population pressures?
It's possible. I had a TL20 come up randomly.</font>[/QUOTE]Which is why I think that random number generation, like fire, is a wonderful servant but a terrible master.Originally posted by George Boyett:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by trader jim:
man....that caught my eye!!!!.....TL21......is ther such a critter anywhere???...where can i resd about it???
Which is why I think that random number generation, like fire, is a wonderful servant but a terrible master. </font>[/QUOTE]I first thought of rejecting the UWP, but I decided to work with it. One thing I developed is the planet was known for Tech 15, and the inhabitants keep thier true nature secret.Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by George Boyett:
It's possible. I had a TL20 come up randomly.
Or it's publicly known R&D and prototypes that are years away from becoming available. That the story about Capital. If you go with DGP stats, Sylean medical tech is rated 16 because of advances in brain transplants.Originally posted by rancke:
IMTU any TL 16 world in the Imperium is based on a single, narrow technology that the owners take great pains to keep secret. Anything else produced on any of these worlds is TL 15.
I have to disagree on the generality of the covert nature of TL16 production. The main advantage of a TL16 society is the lower cost of production of an all items. The unique and advanced items that can only be found at the level of tech are a neat little bonus. I like to divide the Tech level of a planet into different categories, as the DGP World builder does. Starship, weapons, computers, communication, novelties and consumables, are some of the categories, but these can be at different levels of tech, because of the unique demands place upon the growth of the Tech by the environment of the planet that produced them. Necessity is the mother of all invention, and economics drives that necessity. A TL16 planet not producing at its full capacity is losing money and wasting capital. In a dominant mega corporation universe this would be a cardinal sin.TL 16 world in the Imperium is based on a single, narrow technology that the owners take great pains to keep secret. Anything else produced on any of these worlds is TL 15.