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Need UWP excuses

When the system collapses how many planetary scientists do you think we'll need? You are a nothing but a luxury, a drone, a lily of the field. And you haven't even the courage to admit that to yourself. Do something, do anything, as every little bit helps. And, until you finally do something, quit mewling and pretending to care.
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Now you're REALLY pissing me off.

What is your bloody point, Bill?

Do you want me to feel guilty that I'm a "luxury"? Do you want me to kill myself with remorse that I and everyone else around me is a shallow hypocrite? Or do you just get off in dragging people down into the festering pit of cynicism you wallow in?

Screw that, and screw you. And damn you for accusing people you don't even know of callousness. Unfortunately I can't really tell you what I think of your attitude here because the right expletives aren't acceptible here :mad: . Where the hell do you get off being so self-righteously arrogant at people?

I am fully aware of how crappy and hypocritical human society is. And I'm grateful that I live in a part of it that isn't tearing itself apart or screwing its people over six ways til sunday. Since you seem to have so much contempt for it, why don't you go back to the hellholes you've seen where you can live guilt-free?

Maybe you, on your much vaunted moral high horse, can sneer at my very existence, but I don't give a toss what you think about the validity of my existence. I'm just amazed and appalled at your sheer arrogance. I find your attitude utterly contemptible - you are twisted. But one thing's for sure, I certainly don't have to justify my existence to the likes of you.

But don't you dare ever make any assumptions over my attitudes again. You don't know the first damn thing about me.

That is all I will say on this matter, or indeed to you ever again. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Morte wrote:- The five largest worlds are illegal in T20 (-2 to size if atmosphere not 5/6/8).
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Good sir,

This may not be the time to say such things, but my printing of the THB (1st printing, to be sure) says nothing in Step Two about a -2 to World Size if the World Atmosphere (determined in Step Three) is not 5,6 or 8.

There is a comment in Step Nine about a -2 to World Population under those conditions. However, page 9 of the current errata (http://www.travellerrpg.com/eLibrary/Files/THB_Errata-6.pdf) states that the -2 to World Population is only applied to secondary worlds within the star system and does not apply to the mainworld, which brings this step back into accord with CT basic/book 6 world generation methods.

Just clarifying what I observed as a misunderstanding of the T20 rules. No harm intended.

With Regards,
Flynn
 
Mr. Morte,

My apologies for soiling your very interesting thread. My last few posts simply didn't belong here.

As you can undoubtedly tell, Dr. Thomas and I have danced this jig before and with nearly the same results; i.e. mutual incomprehension.

I do hope that when you do solve the riddle of the Old Worlds, you approach QLI for a slot in their TA schedule. I think your materials would do very well there.

Again, you have my apologies.


Sincerely,
Bill Cameron, aka Larsen
 
Originally posted by Flynn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Morte wrote:- The five largest worlds are illegal in T20 (-2 to size if atmosphere not 5/6/8).
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Good sir,

This may not be the time to say such things, but my printing of the THB (1st printing, to be sure) says nothing in Step Two about a -2 to World Size if the World Atmosphere (determined in Step Three) is not 5,6 or 8.

There is a comment in Step Nine {that's step eight, but no matter - Morte}about a -2 to World Population under those conditions. However, page 9 of the current errata (http://www.travellerrpg.com/eLibrary/Files/THB_Errata-6.pdf) states that the -2 to World Population is only applied to secondary worlds within the star system and does not apply to the mainworld, which brings this step back into accord with CT basic/book 6 world generation methods.

Just clarifying what I observed as a misunderstanding of the T20 rules. No harm intended.</font>[/QUOTE]Oh *&$%.

You're right, Flynn, I didn't spot that bit of errata. The UWPs are indeed legal in T20.

If you'll excuse me, I need to go put a K'Kree sized humble pie in the oven. And kick myself a few times. And maybe go through my first printing THB with a biro, applying the errata. And see about modifying the review I submitted to rpg.net, which has just gained its first error without even being posted yet...

Um, I'm sorry for spreading confusion folks.

*gets biro out*

p.s. Thanks, Flynn.
 
Don't apologise.
If you hadn't made your original post it would have been a long time until I noticed the Old Worlds and how ripe with adventure they are


By the way, do you think the Kafoe could be linked to the Deadspace phenomenon?

They are certainly nasty little brutes!
 
Yes, I have always "suspected" that they are connected to Deadspace. That's one thing I'd have to find out -- they might due to star in Grand Adventure #4 or something, meaning I'd have to make sure I don't break anything.
 
Originally posted by Flynn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Morte wrote:- The five largest worlds are illegal in T20 (-2 to size if atmosphere not 5/6/8).
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Good sir,

This may not be the time to say such things, but my printing of the THB (1st printing, to be sure) says nothing in Step Two about a -2 to World Size if the World Atmosphere (determined in Step Three) is not 5,6 or 8.

There is a comment in Step Nine about a -2 to World Population under those conditions. However, page 9 of the current errata ... states that the -2 to World Population is only applied to secondary worlds within the star system and does not apply to the mainworld, which brings this step back into accord with CT basic/book 6 world generation methods.
</font>[/QUOTE]I don't think that's strictly true actually...

The -2 pop for atms 0,5,6,8 is present in the Expanded System Generation Chart in Scouts.

It's also present for secondary worlds in the Continuation System Generation Chart.

But it's not present in Book 3 Basic System Generation.

So... if you generate a system from scratch using the Expanded charts, your mainworld will have the -2 pop modifier if it doesn't have atms 0,5,6, or 8.

If you generate it from scratch using the basic charts (which are used to make the UWPs) then they don't have the -2 modifier.

So which one is right?!

This isn't the only confusing thing between books 3 and 6: In book 3, the hydrographics is determined by 2d-7+atmosphere. In book 6, the hydrographics is determined by 2d-7+size. Apparently the latter is used more often (and in later books), so presumably book 6 wins on this inconsistency. But if that's the case, shouldn't it win out on the -2 pop modifier too?
 
Malnefant: in T20 with errata the pop modifier doesn't apply, so my original statement that they are "illegal in T20" was incorrect.

Yes, they would be illegal in many versions of traveller, and I have the "Spinward Marches Project" from JTAS ringing in my ears, which is probably why no alarms sounded when I found they were illegal according to the first printing T20 THB that I own. [Which now has errata added in blue biro.]

Note: I'm not saying whether they should be legal in T20, or any other rules. Different issue.
 
Well, I dunno about T20. I was commenting more on Flynn's comment that the rules were brought into like with Book 6 - when in fact Book 6 is pretty ambiguous on the matter.
 
Hey...my post disappeared...
oh well...
What I said was...
I don't get it. If they are a Hi-Pop, Hi-tech world, it doesn't matter what the atmosphere is...They are all living in arcologies at that point.
If the world is Lo-tech, then yes...that's a problem...although you could just treat them like Haven's New Paris and say that the gov't and society has devolved to the point that they can no longer fix or build hi-tech things anymore...
(Like the arcologies that they are still living in...with hundreds of floors closed off for maintenence issues...)

Lo-pop worlds are easy...There are hundreds of worlds in the 3I that are Noble retreats, Imperial Gardens/Parks, Agricultural combine worlds...There was one in Core that I entered last week that is owned by the Imperial Marines - they use it for training in wilderness...

You could do one like Lois Bujold's 'Ethan of Athos'...or a world that wants to remain small because of philisophical or religious reasons...
It's all about being creative (and reading WAY too much sci-fi)...Of course I would vote to just rewrite the UWPs...Unless they are in a CURRENTLY published item, most UWPs from previous canon are horrible...

-MADDog
 
Malenfant: OK, gotcha.

Right, I am now officially burned out on this thread. I should go finish making that coffee.
 
No Worries, Morte,

It's all part of the services we offer one another in support of Our Old Game, in any of its versions.


Enjoy,
Flynn
 
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