PBI said,
The Democratic Party in the US was not a revolutionary party intent on spreading democracy throughout the World, that was just the truth and there is no way to hide that. The Democratic party at that time was really in its heart and sole the Pacifist Party. Look, the word "Pacifist" is also a word that has been played with. I believe in peace and War is not a good thing, but I would not call myself a pacifist because pacifist has become throughout the years, something more specific than just wanting peace. under the modern definition, the word pacifist essentially means someone who is unwilling to use military means to defend himself or his other values. A pacifist cannot consequently support democracy if that support makes war more likely. R
eagan was a democrat in a very real sense that most members of the Democratic party were not. Reagan was willing to risk war in order to support democracy in Eastern Europe. Remember that famous line, "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall!" Many Democrats would not utter such a statement because they were unwilling to risk a global war in order to support Democracy. if there was someone else instead of Gorbachev perhaps World War III might have resulted from Ronald Reagan's policies, but Reagan was willing to roll the dice and the Democrats were not. Under the Twilight 2000 alternate history Ronald Reagan may have been unlucky in his calculated gamble for democracy, he could not control how the Soviet leader would react, he could only hope. In Twilight 2000, his hopes were dashed instead of fulfilled, and he would probably have been blamed for creating the atmosphere under which World War III occured. There is no lesson in this except that if you take big risks you may reap big rewards or face terrible losses. The symbol for the Twilight 2000 game should be a picture of Gorbachev with a circle and slash on top to indicate "No Gorbachev" There is no reformer in the USSR, only reactionaries who are trigger happy and unafraid to start wars in promoting Soviet Expansionism.
Well I meant "liberals" not liberals. Those people who called themselves "liberals" in the 1980s were really pacifists. I was there, I remember that wheneve Reagan did something that the Soviet Union would not like, the people who called themselves "liberals" would complain. Some tricks were played with the English language using lables such as "liberal" such that "liberal" no longer meant liberal.Tom,
Yes, I'd say that was pretty much the case in almost all of Europe in the interwar years, even in the UK, though to a lesser degree.
What I was really getting at (and dancing around) with my comment on politics was your comments on Reagan and "liberals". We don't need to bring that kind discussion into the forum here, or at least not in this topic.
The Democratic Party in the US was not a revolutionary party intent on spreading democracy throughout the World, that was just the truth and there is no way to hide that. The Democratic party at that time was really in its heart and sole the Pacifist Party. Look, the word "Pacifist" is also a word that has been played with. I believe in peace and War is not a good thing, but I would not call myself a pacifist because pacifist has become throughout the years, something more specific than just wanting peace. under the modern definition, the word pacifist essentially means someone who is unwilling to use military means to defend himself or his other values. A pacifist cannot consequently support democracy if that support makes war more likely. R
eagan was a democrat in a very real sense that most members of the Democratic party were not. Reagan was willing to risk war in order to support democracy in Eastern Europe. Remember that famous line, "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall!" Many Democrats would not utter such a statement because they were unwilling to risk a global war in order to support Democracy. if there was someone else instead of Gorbachev perhaps World War III might have resulted from Ronald Reagan's policies, but Reagan was willing to roll the dice and the Democrats were not. Under the Twilight 2000 alternate history Ronald Reagan may have been unlucky in his calculated gamble for democracy, he could not control how the Soviet leader would react, he could only hope. In Twilight 2000, his hopes were dashed instead of fulfilled, and he would probably have been blamed for creating the atmosphere under which World War III occured. There is no lesson in this except that if you take big risks you may reap big rewards or face terrible losses. The symbol for the Twilight 2000 game should be a picture of Gorbachev with a circle and slash on top to indicate "No Gorbachev" There is no reformer in the USSR, only reactionaries who are trigger happy and unafraid to start wars in promoting Soviet Expansionism.