No, Thank You !!!

[Tobias]

I would gather this mechanic didn’t survive into Mongoose.

The harassment one, kinda. The bribery one, no. (At least not in the basic rulebook... AFAIK MgT suffers from severe splatbook rule metastasis.)

At a level L, the laws are so extreme and pervasive yet society must function, that almost every thing can be worked out, maybe even murder.

The bribery roll mechanism is for minor infraction/harassment, but to me it always meant level of corruption and a wry comment on the realities of humans needing room to function.

When thinking about extreme law levels, I am always reminded of this quote from the beginning of "Nineteen-Eighty-Four":

The thing that he was about to do was to open a diary. This was not illegal (nothing was illegal, since there were no
longer any laws), but if detected it was reasonably certain that it would be punished by death, or at least by twentyfive
years in a forced-labour camp.

The end point of increasing state authority is indeed that: Completely arbitrary exercise of power over its subjects, possibly maintaining the purely fictional appearance of 'law' but in this case dismissing even that. Nothing is illegal, thus anything can be illegal. The authorities decide that on a whim. There is no reason, no principle, no counsel to help you. Being spared is subject to the same arbitrariness as being found in transgression in the first place.

 

[kilemall]

The harassment one, kinda. The bribery one, no. (At least not in the basic rulebook... AFAIK MgT suffers from severe splatbook rule metastasis.)



When thinking about extreme law levels, I am always reminded of this quote from the beginning of "Nineteen-Eighty-Four":

The thing that he was about to do was to open a diary. This was not illegal (nothing was illegal, since there were no
longer any laws), but if detected it was reasonably certain that it would be punished by death, or at least by twentyfive
years in a forced-labour camp.

The end point of increasing state authority is indeed that: Completely arbitrary exercise of power over its subjects, possibly maintaining the purely fictional appearance of 'law' but in this case dismissing even that. Nothing is illegal, thus anything can be illegal. The authorities decide that on a whim. There is no reason, no principle, no counsel to help you. Being spared is subject to the same arbitrariness as being found in transgression in the first place.

A reasonable interpretation, and at least some planets should work that way.

But there are a lotta planets to define, even in a non-OTU sector.

So I would favor having some high LL where there is a core belief/justification system even if it isn’t laws per se that can be worked. Player agency and all that.

Varied experience is the point of Travelling, is it not?

 

[kilemall]

Or it could be utopian,
à la that one planet from TNG where they were going to execute Wesley for disturbing a flower bed.

Shrug, that could happen in a lower gov/LL environment. The penalty for stepping on the king’s tulips is death.

 

[McPerth]

F doesn’t exist in CT, so I had to look that up. To me the pop is too extreme for a corporation unless there is some Dune/spice level of commodity, so religion it is.

Grand Census talks about government F being Totalitarian Oligarchy

 

[kilemall]

Grand Census talks about government F being Totalitarian Oligarchy

Which was according to the MgT world builders handbook either totalitarian religion or corporation. I’m sure other forms are conceptually permissible.

 

[Spinward Flow]

Which was cording the the MgT world builders handbook is either totalitarian religion or corporation.

Is there a difference?

{ ... ducks and runs ... }

 

[McPerth]

s there a difference?

Name aside, the theoretical intent.

In fact, most religious and corporation leaderships risks to become oligarchyies.

But we better refrain this direction, as we risk entering in politics outside the pit...

 

[Spinward Flow]

But we better refrain this direction, as we risk entering in politics outside the pit...

{ ... runs away even faster ... }

 

[bookwyrm]

{ ... runs away even faster ... }

'You're running the wrong LOOK OUT FOR THAT ENFOCER!!'

Weird UWP's are weird, and there are so many of them! But I really like the ideas for Law Level. I was always thinking dark & gloomy, but now I can think dark & gloomy with a twist of light heartedness.

 

[Spinward Flow]

with a twist of light heartedness.

"The computer is your friend!"