yep just like old bow and arrows the early indians used...
Old West weapons
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yep just like old bow and arrows the early indians used...
Johnny_BoomBoom
SOC-9
But they didn't have the option of using a larger calibre firearm
Wonder if they used larger calibre arrows......:rofl:
mbrinkhues
SOC-14 1K
The Romans had a small bolt-thrower (Ballista) that could be handled by two man and reached a decend rate of fire. When I portray Legionairs am still fighting the tendency to have one or two Contubernia per Centurie equiped with those. Not to mention cross-breeding them with the Chinese "Repeating Crossbow"...
CosmicGamer
SOC-14 1K
But they didn't have the option of using a larger calibre firearm
Wonder if they used larger calibre arrows......:rofl:
Arrows can have a variety of different sized and shaped heads each with its own characteristics.
Johnny_BoomBoom
SOC-9
Indeed, the Japanese in particular had many specialised arrow heads....ones that whistled for signalling, armour piercing types (slender and pointed) and the bowel raker....which would do a lot of damage to a lightly armoured or unarmoured target!
Vile
SOC-12
... and let's not forget the Green Arrow's boxing glove arrow!
Seriously, though, as far as arrowheads are concerned, there are only two versions for doing damage - pointy ones for penetrating armour, and bladed ones for causing bleeding. English bodkins to some extent combined the properties by having small barbs on an armour-piercing head, making it dangerous to pull out of a wound. No matter what the design, arrows are limited by the strength of the user, and the difference between various designs are probably below the resolution of the damage mechanic in the game.
Bolts, now, are a different matter.
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But they didn't have the option of using a larger calibre firearm
Wonder if they used larger calibre arrows......:rofl:
i think my POINT(pardon the pun) was that the early indians
used a relative light weapon to bleed big game like you can with a 22.
as thier bows then were REALLY light in comparison to what we have
today as a bow or even the euopeans bows of the time. were talking
stone tips, with a smaller bow, less range with a pull of about 35lbs...
But bear in mind that modern 45-70 ammo is loaded with modern powers that would likely explode the older guns if used by mistake.
Johnny_BoomBoom
SOC-9
I know where you were coming from....I was just pointing (geeze, I'm at it now) out that their technology didn't afford them much choice in what they used on their prey.....
Mercenary Book 4 has a rule for that: Panic Fire (page 32)
tim_manley
SOC-12
In regards to CT I say the weapon stats are the same.
I ran a CT game where the for a sessiosn the players were stuck on a planet with western style tech. So it was cowboy time while they tired to hunt up the part they needed so they could get off planet. The only differnece I had is that with an SA revolver you could fan it and get auto-fire (roll twice) for 6 shots.
For realism I used the Phoenix Command Combat System....
I ran a CT game where the for a sessiosn the players were stuck on a planet with western style tech. So it was cowboy time while they tired to hunt up the part they needed so they could get off planet. The only differnece I had is that with an SA revolver you could fan it and get auto-fire (roll twice) for 6 shots.
For realism I used the Phoenix Command Combat System....
Misconception that is
Lower velocity with a bigger payload (weight/mass) still equals a hell of a hit. But of course the range is much less.
Today's modern blackpowder hunter has so much to choose from. Sabot, conical and ball besides several different blackpowders.
The Sabot rounds are very heavy and do pack a punch besides having a slight greater range and much better accuracy than conical and much, much better than ball. But compared to modern rounds both are lacking.
I would say that a fast and easy rule to consider is this
Cowboy, blackpowder guns have as much damage potential as any modern gun but with less range (say 1/2) or that they have a max range of 100 yds + 10 yds per skill level
Even the first Cowboy guns (pistols and rifles) were blackpowder shell using a conical or round bullet.
Most Westerns with Clint Eastwood were black powder pistol (no casings) and very early blackpowder shells rifles.
Dave Chase
Lower velocity with a bigger payload (weight/mass) still equals a hell of a hit. But of course the range is much less.
Today's modern blackpowder hunter has so much to choose from. Sabot, conical and ball besides several different blackpowders.
The Sabot rounds are very heavy and do pack a punch besides having a slight greater range and much better accuracy than conical and much, much better than ball. But compared to modern rounds both are lacking.
I would say that a fast and easy rule to consider is this
Cowboy, blackpowder guns have as much damage potential as any modern gun but with less range (say 1/2) or that they have a max range of 100 yds + 10 yds per skill level
Even the first Cowboy guns (pistols and rifles) were blackpowder shell using a conical or round bullet.
Most Westerns with Clint Eastwood were black powder pistol (no casings) and very early blackpowder shells rifles.
Dave Chase
In T20, use d20 past for the old west weapons
Not a god idea; T20 damages are not in-line with core d20 damages.
3G3 in the current edition does NOT have MT; it has TNE. (which is essentially T2K 2.0/2.2 for weapon purposes.)
3G3 in the prior edition has MT. So did older editions of 3G3: More Guns.
anders lager
SOC-12
I concur with Aramis.
The newest edition of 3G3 has conversion rules for TNE and T4. Previous editions had rules for MT.
I recently emailed Greg Porter about if he intended to write up conversion rules for MgT, but he said he won't
The newest edition of 3G3 has conversion rules for TNE and T4. Previous editions had rules for MT.
I recently emailed Greg Porter about if he intended to write up conversion rules for MgT, but he said he won't
