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Ostracism in RPGs...

Yes often these are the issues we tend to see. In the past I tend to try to play with the groups that is friends with Mr. Soap. All that said I have been the problem before too letting my real life problems affect my game. It happens, things like job loss or divorce will make your gaming less than stellar and give you issues that need to be worked out. If the players know you well they know and will give you some slack if it is seen as a temporary thing.
 
Indeed, I typically hide the fact that I'm a gamer from those who do not know me well. This is true for those in my gaming group--people I've been gaming with for 20 years or more now.

We're a diverse lot, professionally. One is a financial advisor. One owns a hair salon. One is a route salesman. One works from home running a computer business. And, one is out of work right now, having been a lot of things in the past--the only one of us that is ex-military (Marine).

None of us, by the way, looks like "The Comic Book Guy" on the Simpsons.

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Gods, yes. I've kept my gaming life in the closet for years. Once at a Con, I ran into a gaggle of secretaries at the Con hotel (they were all there for a wedding). They couldn't help but notice the large convention badge on my chest. One exclaimed, "Michael! You're one of THESE guys?"

I lied and said I was doing some research for a new book. I then took them all to the bar and bought drinks. Lots of drinks.
 
I hid my hobby until college. Once I was in a fraternity, it was pretty obvious what I was doing. I remember all the pledges had to join a student group and I submitted mine as the gaming group was denied. Well, they must have discussed in a chapter meeting because I got a lot of lame comments and insults (I was a pledge...). But I also got a lot of interested comments, people trying to figure out why I liked them when I didn't do strange rituals at night or dress in black.

After that, I just said the hell with it. Gaming is a huge part of my life and hiding it seems dishonest. People at work know I play "wargames" or "DnD" (even though I don't) but no one really asks me about it (small office, no one cares). But I've always been upfront with girls about it. Actually, I've managed to parlay it into a good thing.

"Honey, I could be out at the bars, the clubs or watching sports on a nightly basis. Instead, once a week, you know I'm in a basement with a bunch of guys... being a dork."

Once ladies get the idea that it's just about the best hobby for a grown man to have and infinitely better than sports, gambling, strip clubs, bars (although I like those too-a lot), they tend to leave it alone. My fiance doesn't really get it but she thinks my friends and I are "cute" and as long as I don't watch sports... she's in approval.

I just don't worry about it. I am what I am. I don't flaunt it or make dumb gamer jokes in front of people but I won't deny it. I don't mention it right off the bat but I 'm cool with it.

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On a sidenote, I definitely think his point about "politeness is not a virtue" applies in most situations encountered in life. People do not learn unless they are faced with their actions. If they can't take it, too bad... life sucks-get a helmet (and soap).
 
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I hid my hobby until college. Once I was in a fraternity, it was pretty obvious what I was doing. I remember all the pledges had to join a student group and I submitted mine as the gaming group was denied. Well, they must have discussed in a chapter meeting because I got a lot of lame comments and insults (I was a pledge...). But I also got a lot of interested comments, people trying to figure out why I liked them when I didn't do strange rituals at night or dress in black.

After that, I just said the hell with it. Gaming is a huge part of my life and hiding it seems dishonest. People at work know I play "wargames" or "DnD" (even though I don't) but no one really asks me about it (small office, no one cares). But I've always been upfront with girls about it. Actually, I've managed to parlay it into a good thing.

"Honey, I could be out at the bars, the clubs or watching sports on a nightly basis. Instead, once a week, you know I'm in a basement with a bunch of guys... being a dork."

Once ladies get the idea that it's just about the best hobby for a grown man to have and infinitely better than sports, gambling, strip clubs, bars (although I like those too-a lot), they tend to leave it alone. My fiance doesn't really get it but she thinks my friends and I are "cute" and as long as I don't watch sports... she's in approval.

I just don't worry about it. I am what I am. I don't flaunt it or make dumb gamer jokes in front of people but I won't deny it. I don't mention it right off the bat but I 'm cool with it.

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On a sidenote, I definitely think his point about "politeness is not a virtue" applies in most situations encountered in life. People do not learn unless they are faced with their actions. If they can't take it, too bad... life sucks-get a helmet (and soap).

Same here. My ex-wife and fiance both don't "get" role-playing, although my fiance does enjoy the "Eurogames" I also play - in fact it's one of those things that I used to be told by my ex that I was "wasting" my money on, but with my fiance of the present, she gets excited when I identify a new game I want to buy, and we find a way to afford it together.
But, in both cases, they each saw the benefits of spending < $50 every couple months to keep me in my habit, when their ex-es could (did) spend that in one night at the sports bar watching football....and playing grab-ass with the waitress, which simply isn't done in my all-male game group!
 
After that, I just said the hell with it. Gaming is a huge part of my life and hiding it seems dishonest. People at work know I play "wargames" or "DnD" (even though I don't) but no one really asks me about it (small office, no one cares). But I've always been upfront with girls about it. Actually, I've managed to parlay it into a good thing.

I wish I could say that. My first job out of college, I was in medical sales. It was a small office, like a lot of jobs in that field. There were just three of us to cover Houston and the surrounding area, with Houston having the largest medical center in the world.

Well, the guy that was training me got to know each other fairly well. I was his replacement, but he stayed for three months to show me the ropes (I knew nothing, coming out of school with a Marketing degree, about the medical field) and get me introduced to the right people. We focussed on hospitals and home health rather than pharmaceutical reps who typically wait in Dr.'s offices their whole lives.

My mentor/trainer, who was just a couple of years older than me, had played D&D back in college. He played those old SSI computer games (remember those?) when he got the itch. I told him that I had a game going (at that time, I was in the last year of a five year D&D campaign with my normal crew), and it became the topic of some fun discussions while we drove around that first few months learning the job.

Well, the guy came and went. I guess he had told my boss at the office (there was the boss, us three sales reps, and about six service people), because he brought it up to me one time, in a friendly, joking fashion.

It was comfortable.

Then, one day, I made the mistake of telling him that my Saturday night game was so good that we all decided to play again on Sunday, and that lasted until 5:00 am, when I shushed everybody out so that I could get a shower and come to work.

Shouldn't have said that.

Everything was cool right then. My boss thought it was funny (he wasn't that much older than me, either, maybe five years).

But, the next time I was late...

"I guess he was out playing that 'D&D' game, or whatever it is, again, all night."

Yeah...that stigma never went away. And, there was always something between us because of it. He wouldn't get rid of me because I was the, typically, the top salesman for the month (not bragging, I really was). I opened up nine hospitals during my time there (which is a bitch--typically takes about six months to get a hospital to speak with you and evalutate your product), which was a company record.

And, we're talking about a sales job here. Most other people in the same position just worked from home, as is typical in that industry. Houston, being the large medical market that it is, required an office. We served as a hub for the surrounding people in other Texas cities. So, because we had that office, we all had to be in at a certain time.

I wasn't always that prompt. :smirk:

But, it dang sure wasn't because of late night D&D games (not all the time, anyway ;) ).

That "D&D" stigma stuck, though.

And, I learned a lesson.

Never let your coworkers, especially your boss, know that you enjoy something that they probably don't understand.
 
I never saw it as a problem. What I saw as a problem were the nut cases that ruin any hobby. Like that one kid that killed his parents for experience points many years back. You wouldn't find that kind of behavior in a knitting circle or mahjong club. Largely because those hobbies are fairly immediate, and don't quite require the neural activity as a good RPG or wargame.

Wargames were something I had done in anticipation for a military career. The career never happened, but I still enjoyed the escapist element. The geeky kids were the ones who liked sci-fi and fantasy. I was a sci-fi nerd first. I liked various sci-fi films and shows, and preferred that to fairy-tale settings, though I did enjoy Tolkien's works.

Being somewhat dyslexic I probably enjoyed games more than was healthy because of my failure in school (though I did make up for it in university). If you're lacking in muscles and looks, then you need to rely on your brains, and the best way to exercise the neurons is immaginative activity. Reading and playing games come to mind.

I didn't date a single cheerleader (though a couple did flirt with me), but then I wasn't into what cheerleaders were into. I wanted to develop my creativity, and to this end I played wargames and read books. Women could wait...

Of course now I'm a fat bald guy, and games are relaxing when you get the right mix of individuals. This isn't high-school anymore (an academic insitution that complete wastes a lot of people's time), though the marketers, in an attempt to grab affluent dollars, placate to the stereotype of separating the "in crowd" from the "nerd crowd". Hence you see commercials praying on societies social weakness of wanting to belong. Hence the "ostricism" of certain social circles.

I love war games. I'm not that good a player, but I love the activity regardless when I get the opportunity.

In conclusion, I never felt the need, urge nor desire to hide my activity. If the various social cliques had a problem with it, then it really didn't matter because "my people" didn't interact with them. I kept hoping to find people with like interests as I got older, and indeed I did.

These days I don't do much wargaming at all. I do computer games, write, and visit this website to keep my hand in. My gaming days are pretty much over, though if something comes up I won't turn it down... depending on who's in it, and what it entails.
 
I never saw it as a problem. What I saw as a problem were the nut cases that ruin any hobby. Like that one kid that killed his parents for experience points many years back. You wouldn't find that kind of behavior in a knitting circle or mahjong club...

Sure you would, you just won't see it get the same media attention. I'll bet there are more knitting circle or mahjong murderers than RPG murderers. But you'll never see headlines to that effect. Or the exaggeration and vilification of their pastimes because of it.
 
I find that whenever the topic comes up, people think of the little gaming group that play Magic: the Gathering or Yu-Gi-Oh! on Saturday afternoons in the public library.

That's if they think of the subject at all, which actually most don't. "Gaming," otherwise, means "videogames" - so if I told someone that I was a gamer, they're most likely to ask me what my favourite platform is and what my WoW character online happens to be, rather than what my favourite RPG is.

These days, though, I'm heading for retirement anyway, and concentrating on writing instead. Gaming is a group pastime, and most of my group have all gone, scattered to the four corners of the world.

I think that people round where I live tend to lump people into categories based on their predilections mostly because they otherwise would have no idea what to do with them, so they pigeonhole them and leave them be.

If a guy likes musical theatre, the locals brand the poor SOB as gay, whether or not he actually is a homosexual; middle managers are supposed to like Cognac, sudoku posh cars and having a mistress, and so on. I think that gaming, similarly, could be what the locals think overly smart people get into, in the same vein that overly aged people get into gardening and doctors get into golf.

But I have never been ashamed to call myself a gamer. Never. It's like Lord Byron once said of writing - he wrote to empty his head, lest he go mad. I used to game for that exact same reason - to run scenarios and ideas in my head and let them out into the world, keep the men in white coats away for another week or so.

I'd say the same for writing these days, but I'm afraid that as a cure for insanity writing comes far too late to be efficacious for me any more ...
 
Far Trader; you're probably right. From what I understand most murders occur in the family: Siblings bickering over inheritence, or one spouse getting tired of the other. One would be hard pressed to call any of those folks a die-hard SPI "War in the Pacific" wargamer, or AD&D 4th edition RPGer. Most of those people probably went to social clubs of the "regular sort", cavorted with the neighbors, and did all things "normal" so to speak, including going to church.

Oh well. Back to surfing for really cool character sheets :wink:
 
Gamer Pride

I’ve always been ‘out’ about my gaming.

For example: I remember once, getting a new job in a new town where I didn’t know anyone. This was for a big corporate that had some fairly stringent rules on how you presented yourself. It was in the pre-Internet days so I placed a full page ad for a Traveller gaming group on the company bulletin board. And while it didn’t get much response directly, a co-worker who saw it put me in touch with a local gaming group. Some of my best friends I met at that group, friends I still game with after more than 15 years.

Okay, not every job has been like that but I’ve never had any negative experiences. Over the years I’ve gamed with a number of co-workers, and encouraged others to try gaming for the first time.

Until recently I had a ‘Outside Interests’ section on my resume (that I’d send to prospective employers) and that listed RPGs and attendance at gaming conventions.

Sure there are widely held stereotypes. The way to deal with them is head-on face-to-face. Maybe we should have an annual gamer-pride march or something.
 
I've been "out" about my gaming since Junior High. I ran a gaming group at the local Roman Catholic Cathedral; quoting the pastor at the time "It keeps a group of 5-10 teens in a social activity without drugs, alcohol, or sex. It's a good thing."
 
I've also witnessed some uncomfortable moments when a gamer is telling a 'my character then did' sceanario to an uninitiated, non-gaming audience.
 
Not at session....Not before nor since college.

Well, maybe a glass of mead.

I gamed with my friend to keep him away from that junk. It worked for a while, but eventually he fell into the cespool of drugs. He and two other guys I knew, one a friend, another a former friend (the guy couldn't keep a promise nor tell the truth if his life depended on it ... last I heard he was flying choppers in the south).
 
I've always been open about being a gamer. And liking SF, astronomy, firearms, history, and electronics (designing and building, not consumer electronics.) By nature I'm a pretty normal person in appearances, but I don't hide who I am. "Freaking the mundanes" has never been a hobby of mine, but I don't mind injecting a bit of seeming non-sequitur into things.

I play with people I like to spend time with. I don't mind teaching them the games any more than I mind teaching Monopoly or 9 Men's Morris, but I'm not a lifestyle coach. I'm direct with people about social problems the same way I'm direct about the quality of a weld joint or a wiring job. I try to be as forsooth as I can while getting the message out, and avoid harming feelings, but I don't agonize over it, either. I won't sit around for a game and pretend something isn't so.

"Hit the showers, champ! We'll cover your character till you get back."

"Your calculator got a memory function? Good--use it so you don't have to keep re-counting the buttons on her blouse."

As to snide remarks about staying up playing D&D, I've gotten those and give back in kind. I don't put my head down and take it. Though I do try to get some humor in to try to defuse the confrontation.

"Good thing I'm such a company man...I came in. If you were with the 'elf princess' I was with last night, you wouldn't have just come in late, you woulda called in sick."

"You're here designing nuclear power systems* with me day after day and you say I'm living in a dream world for playing a game?"

"Yeah, tonight I'll be playing Thongor the Barbarian. Last week I was playing Professor Plum, and the week before that I got stuck with the shoe. At least with the barbarian I know when I whacked someone, and I'd like to see someone try to hit him up with a luxury tax." :D

As to the wife, she didn't start playing games until the kids did. She's an SF & F reader, though. And whenever she worries over the cost of gaming, I say, "You're right. What a waste. I'll dump them all and get a boat!" :rofl:

Once a friend's GF made some offhand comment about "nerdy gamer wimp", then she turned to me and said, "Mark, nobody'd ever accuse you of being a wimp!" :)

*or substitute "launch vehicles that will never get funded", "teaching kids how to think", "electronics that are supposed to actually work", or whatever as suits the job situation.
 
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I have not played any serious games in a while so to me i just don't talk about it. There are many other aspects to my character that I can talk about gaming is not a necessity. Then again if it is the first nice day of spring the last thing I want to do is sit around inside and play games.

While it might look like someone trying to hide from it it is more just an aspect that gets discussed when the time is right. The last thing I want to do is bore someone to tears with some bullshit gaming story. I do other things i can share those things instead, there is more to life than gaming.
 
Not at session....Not before nor since college.

Well, maybe a glass of mead.
Hey that's cool, I never did the stuff myself. At least not the drugs. Last session I had some Bailey's in my coffee. I think the session prior I had a glass of red wine. And when we were playing D&D4e last year we did pop the cork on a decent bottle of mead.
 
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