You might need a Guild Navigator on Spice to see the path to your destination?
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You might need a Guild Navigator on Spice to see the path to your destination?
Timerover51
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I have never been a fan of Dune, and that would also imply that psionics is instantaneous over intergalactic distances.
coliver988
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is psionics a quantum function and instantaneous regardless of distance? Really needs to be its own thread, and that would, if not break, severely damage some of the Traveller universe conceits. Bring on the ansible!
No, actually, it doesn't need to be instantaneous; the Dune Navigators use prescience, not telesenses, to see their path.
«Yoda»: "The Future! The future you see!"
Condottiere
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As I recall, the Guild Navigators see the future, or at least, can predict it, and utilize that to find a safe path through however interstellar travel works in Dune.
mike wightman
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It is akin to Feynman's path integral formulation...
Silverhawk
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So the question of whether something exists or not is a separate question from getting there in one piece. We have some idea even today about velocities of objects as they move through space whether it is a star or galaxy. These shouldn't necessarily change barring another event. So using a Hop drive should only require more accurate data on the vector of the system that you are traveling to. The larger the distance the more predictive the data has to be. I can see that requiring more skill and a bigger computer to handle the work.
Which brings up the question (but not for answering in this thread ) would you build a Hop ship somewhat bigger and include a Jump drive for shorter distances?
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In the case of Hop? No. The level of accuracy is such that you can get under a week away just on hop, thanks to the 100 diameter drop-out. You just aim for the correct side of the star's exclusion zone.
Bigger drives, too, can do that for ranges out to a dozen parsecs, too; it's the intermediate between the skip's 100 Pc indirect and 12 or so direct that needs a hop drive.
(Note that if one increases the exclusion threshold by drive, Bound and beyond are worthless in the galaxy. You're almost assured something will get in the way.)
I am wondering if an increasing exclusion threshold relative to drive power would be workable if it increased (for example) on something based on the cube-root of 10 or 100 per higher "jump"-drive regime?
Variant #1:
Jump = 100 + 100/3 diameters = 101.00 diameters
Hop = 100 + 101/3 diameters = 102.15 diameters
Skip = 100 + 102/3 diameters = 104.64 diameters
Leap = 100 + 103/3 diameters = 110.00 diameters
Bound = 100 + 104/3 diameters = 121.54 diameters
Vault = 100 + 105/3 diameters = 146.42 diameters
"Six" = 100 + 106/3 diameters = 200.00 diameters
"Seven" = 100 + 107/3 diameters = 315.44 diameters
"Eight" = 100 + 108/3 diameters = 564.16 diameters
"Nine" = 100 + 109/3 diameters = 1100.00 diameters
Variant #2:
Jump = 100 + 1000/3 diameters = 101.00 diameters
Hop = 100 + 1001/3 diameters = 104.64 diameters
Skip = 100 + 1002/3 diameters = 121.54 diameters
Leap = 100 + 1003/3 diameters = 200.00 diameters
Bound = 100 + 1004/3 diameters = 564.12 diameters
Vault = 100 + 1005/3 diameters = 2254.43 diameters
"Six" = 100 + 1006/3 diameters = 10,100.00 diameters
"Seven" = 100 + 1007/3 diameters = 46,515.89 diameters
"Eight" = 100 + 1008/3 diameters = 215,543.47 diameters
"Nine" = 100 + 1009/3 diameters = 1,000,100.00 diameters *
* - Non-functional within galaxy - need lesser drives to get beyond galactic rim
Variant #3:
Jump = 100 diameters = 100.00 diameters
Hop = Jump + Jump(1/3) diameters = 104.64 diameters
Skip = Hop + Hop(1/3) diameters = 109.35 diameters
Leap = Skip + Skip(1/3) diameters = 114.43 diameters
Bound = Leap + Leap(1/3) diameters = 119.28 diameters
Vault = Bound + Bound(1/3) diameters = 124.20 diameters
"Six" = Vault + Vault(1/3) diameters = 129.19 diameters
"Seven" = "Six" + "Six"(1/3) diameters = 134.25 diameters
"Eight" = "Seven" + "Seven"(1/3) diameters = 139.37 diameters
"Nine" = "Nine" + "Nine"(1/3) diameters = 144.55 diameters
Variant #4:
Jump = 100 diameters = 100.00 diameters
Hop = Jump + Jump(1/3) diameters = 104.64 diameters
Skip = Hop + Hop(2/3) diameters = 126.85 diameters
Leap = Skip + Skip(3/3) diameters = 253.70 diameters
Bound = Leap + Leap(4/3) diameters = 1859.76 diameters
Vault = Bound + Bound(5/3) diameters = 283,111.25 diameters
"Six" = Vault + Vault(6/3) diameters = 8.02x109 diameters *
"Seven" = "Six" + "Six"(7/3) diameters = 2.65x1013 diameters**
"Eight" = "Seven" + "Seven"(8/3) diameters = 6.24x1035 diameters ***
"Nine" = "Nine" + "Nine"(9/3) diameters = 2.43x10107 diameters ***
* - Non-functional within galaxy - need lesser drives to get beyond galactic rim
** - Effectively non-functional
*** - Non-functional within observable universe
** - Effectively non-functional
*** - Non-functional within observable universe
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Has anyone done any maths on the chance of dropping out of Jump due to the presence of brown dwarfs or rogue planets en-route to somewhere, or is the assumption going to be that space is big enough for everyone to travel in and those sort of things are better off being plot devices?
They'd just be plot devices.
And even then, I'd have them as plot devices on the edge of space simply because there's enough people, enough tech, enough time, to map these in the denser, longer inhabited sectors, to the point that they'd be noted on the astrogation computers and avoided.
Yes, for both 2D and 3D jumpspaces. Marc was provided the resulting odds and distances.
Uhm, no. They become routine hazards about Hop 5.
As in, odds expressable rounded down to fit on 2d6.
I used a "dimension drop due to straight route metholodogy.
