Care to cite a source on that? There are so many knife statutes in the US that the common law rarely applies.
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Care to cite a source on that? There are so many knife statutes in the US that the common law rarely applies.
mike wightman
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You do know that it is a criminal offence here in the UK to carry a knife without being able to give a sound reason?
Take a look at what the UK government has to say on the matter:
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Take a look at what the UK government has to say on the matter:
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
BlackBat242
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What would UK law say about these?
They have "blade hidden inside a handle that splits in the middle", but it is rrally hard to claim they are "butterfly knives" - and they lack the "release button" of the "lock knife" (despite the "can include multi-tools" part) - in fact, to get at the knife blade you have to open it, then pivot the blade out in an additional action - just the opposite of the "easier to use = deadlier" concept that causes the banning of mechanical-assist knives (switch-blades) or single-motion-opening knives (gravity knives).
http://www.leatherman.com/multi-tools
They have "blade hidden inside a handle that splits in the middle", but it is rrally hard to claim they are "butterfly knives" - and they lack the "release button" of the "lock knife" (despite the "can include multi-tools" part) - in fact, to get at the knife blade you have to open it, then pivot the blade out in an additional action - just the opposite of the "easier to use = deadlier" concept that causes the banning of mechanical-assist knives (switch-blades) or single-motion-opening knives (gravity knives).
http://www.leatherman.com/multi-tools
Condottiere
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You wouldn't think two pieces of wood attached with a string could get you in trouble.
Yes, I do.
The common law has long since been overridden by statute in the UK, reversing the onus.
Look at the variety of results of police shootings where the officer says, "He had a knife"... And then ignore the ones where it's clear the officer was delusional...
That doesn't support your contention that the common law views a knife as a weapon first. It doesn't even demonstrate that police view knives as weapons first, because it only reflects situations where knives were brandished -- i.e., where knives were used as weapons.
It shows the clear bias that the knife, brandished or not (at least if you read enough) was grounds for a justified use of lethal force by the officer.
Yes. But that was not your contention.
Since it's not blackletter law, and any non-responsive individual with a knife can be shot by police with relative impunity, it's effectively common law.
Gesturing towards or pulling a coat to reveal a knife is commonly considered a threat to use it.
It's a weapon in the general eyes of US law as I've experienced it.
Including that the federal law relating to knives prohibits teachers from carrying a knife over 2" on their person at work, save for teaching its uses as a tool in appropriate specialized environments. (Source: Anchorage School District Employee Training, 2015.) As in, Felony level violation. Leathermen folding tools explicitly violate the rule.
The presence of the knifeblade is the determinant of weapon.
kilemall
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Texas, considered by many in and out of the US to be the wild west, outlaws carrying most any blade a self-respecting Traveller would want to carry.
http://www.knifeup.com/texas-knife-laws/comment-page-5/
http://www.knifeup.com/texas-knife-laws/comment-page-5/
Supplement Four
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LOL. Yet, we just passed Open Carry and have had Concealed Carry for a long, long time.
Guess we don't want folks bringing knives to gun fights.
mike wightman
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Stupid question time.
I go on holiday to Texas from the UK.
Can I carry?
A Texan comes to the UK - can they carry?
Do you see the issue - the Imperium can make any laws it likes, but frontier worlds have the governmental autonomy to apply their own rules.
I go on holiday to Texas from the UK.
Can I carry?
A Texan comes to the UK - can they carry?
Do you see the issue - the Imperium can make any laws it likes, but frontier worlds have the governmental autonomy to apply their own rules.
No such thing.
Get the proper license and you can.
There is no license to be had for that because...
Exactly.
kilemall
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Well, there ISN'T any knife carry license in Texas, just concealed handgun.
The implied point is to support the idea that the weapon/LL matrix is an effective starting point, but refs would be well supported by reality to not go by that standard all the time, perhaps blades are illegal but lasers are fine, and make for interesting choices in problem solving, tactical or otherwise.
The implied point is to support the idea that the weapon/LL matrix is an effective starting point, but refs would be well supported by reality to not go by that standard all the time, perhaps blades are illegal but lasers are fine, and make for interesting choices in problem solving, tactical or otherwise.
In Arizona, one of the more liberal gun states, people are free to open carry or concealed carry without any permitting.
But, visiting aliens, can not -- they're wholesale disqualified (barring exemptions for hunting, etc.).
That said, you couldn't be stopped for just carrying, or printing (showing your concealed firearm). But if you were caught, then, you'd get in some kind of trouble.
Dunno what's it's like in the other similarly liberal states. Note, there is no Federal limitation for legal aliens, so it's a state by state issue.
Except for purchases, right? You can't buy a firearm unless a citizen or holder of a resident visa.
My understanding is that it's fine for them to purchase, but not to take possession of, a firearm. But, I'm off to check.
BATF has info. And, upon checking, yes, I am correct:
Note that a non-resident alien may purchase or rent, and receive, a firearm and ammo for a variety of designated reasons...BATF said:
... A hunting license issued by a state is plenty enough reason for them to be allowed to possess a firearm in the US.
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