Shotgun Shell Grenage rounds

[ranger2261]

I saw these on an epiosde of "Future Weapons" on the military channel
www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG 12.pdf

These will knock the stuffin outta the bad guys

 

[Border Reiver]

They are fairly devastating. It's been posted on site before but this page has links to video of frag-12 rounds being test fired from an AA12 automatic shotgun.

 

[Pagan priest]

So, does anyone have a good idea about statsw for this?

I like it, although it does look like it might be a little too much for my current home defense needs...

 

[ranger2261]

It's only available to military personnel or the well dressed mercenary.

 

[Pagan priest]

It's only available to military personnel or the well dressed mercenary.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

And militia...

 

[Ran Targas]

IMTU, I created a multi-use shotgun that was a standard Scout weapon. It could fire slugs, shot, flechettes, stun-wads, flares, and irritant canisters; it could even launch a small concussion grenade. I made the specialty rounds difficult to come by so they were used sparingly. And there was a lot of experimentation too with developing new rounds like incendiary shells full of napalm and the like; some worked and some just left stains on the deck plates.

 

[veltyen]

IMTU, I created a multi-use shotgun that was a standard Scout weapon. It could fire slugs, shot, flechettes, stun-wads, flares, and irritant canisters; it could even launch a small concussion grenade. I made the specialty rounds difficult to come by so they were used sparingly. And there was a lot of experimentation too with developing new rounds like incendiary shells full of napalm and the like; some worked and some just left stains on the deck plates.

Ahh. The wonders of smooth bore low velocity projectors.

Scarily enough I think all of the options you list are already available for shotguns IRL. Some you don't want to use in your "good" shotgun - Dragonsbreath (projecting flamer rounds) for example tends to muck up a barrel too much.

Low velocity also makes them useful for shipboard actions where high velocity rounds might be a little problematic. IMTU there is a 40mm deck gun, designed to be fired from a mount rather then off a person, that is basically a large short barrel shotgun/grenade launcher. Think the unholy child of a shotgun and a grenade launcher.

You also missed the less lethal "fast setting glue" option.

 

[Ran Targas]

Ahh. The wonders of smooth bore low velocity projectors.

Scarily enough I think all of the options you list are already available for shotguns IRL. Some you don't want to use in your "good" shotgun - Dragonsbreath (projecting flamer rounds) for example tends to muck up a barrel too much.

Low velocity also makes them useful for shipboard actions where high velocity rounds might be a little problematic. IMTU there is a 40mm deck gun, designed to be fired from a mount rather then off a person, that is basically a large short barrel shotgun/grenade launcher. Think the unholy child of a shotgun and a grenade launcher.

You also missed the less lethal "fast setting glue" option.

I like that option; consider it officially stolen!

I always figured the IISS would outfit their personnel with a multitude of non-lethal weapons to provide them with as many options as possible should a 1st contact situation or even a routine frontier landing go bad. That way they aren't forced to create a diplomatic incident while they attempt to peacefully extricate themselves from a ugly situation.

As for the deck gun, I never knew why slug throwers and mass drivers were not a part of the Traveller starship armory. Your gun would be awesome mounted on fighters for use in fleet missile defense or straffing soft ground targets.

Anyway, great idea!

 

[Icosahedron]

As for the deck gun, I never knew why slug throwers and mass drivers were not a part of the Traveller starship armory. Your gun would be awesome mounted on fighters for use in fleet missile defense or straffing soft ground targets.

Anyway, great idea!

IMTU (CT) they are. Any unused weapon mount can hold a Striker-generated weapon. Zero rated for space combat, but allowing a little more precision in ground-attack mode.
half a dT of otherwise waste space holds an awful lot of MD needles... :devil:

 

[veltyen]

IMTU (CT) they are. Any unused weapon mount can hold a Striker-generated weapon. Zero rated for space combat, but allowing a little more precision in ground-attack mode.
half a dT of otherwise waste space holds an awful lot of MD needles... :devil:

Doh. I think I described it poorly.

I meant more as an extremely large shotgun used off a simple pin mount. The kind of thing to keep large numbers of locals away from the airlock.

 

[RossWinn]

ISW The Improved Scout Weapon

IMTU, I created a multi-use shotgun that was a standard Scout weapon. It could fire slugs, shot, flechettes, stun-wads, flares, and irritant canisters; it could even launch a small concussion grenade. I made the specialty rounds difficult to come by so they were used sparingly. And there was a lot of experimentation too with developing new rounds like incendiary shells full of napalm and the like; some worked and some just left stains on the deck plates.

I had a similar weapon, as a matter of fact I still have the original graph paper I wrote it up on.

Funny how we have concurrent ideas.

 

[Darkhstarr]

I've had HE & Incendiary rounds for shotguns in my Traveller universe. Reasoning being by higher tech levels shotguns & grenade launchers would be pretty the same weapon. Also had EMP & APEMP (armor pierceing-EMP) shotgun rounds. The latter is nice for ambush weapon against battledress or bots.

 

[Todg]

I saw these on an epiosde of "Future Weapons" on the military channel
www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG 12.pdf

These will knock the stuffin outta the bad guys

HE rounds for shotguns have been available from at least the 1970s. The Argentines have been using incendiary and explosive shotgun rounds since then.

 

[Todg]

Scarily enough I think all of the options you list are already available for shotguns IRL. Some you don't want to use in your "good" shotgun - Dragonsbreath (projecting flamer rounds) for example tends to muck up a barrel too much.

Not really. I'll give you the secret of dragon's breath. It's just a shotgun shell filled with lighter flints. Not very useful, but it looks neat.

 

[veltyen]

Not really. I'll give you the secret of dragon's breath. It's just a shotgun shell filled with lighter flints. Not very useful, but it looks neat.

Sometimes looking neat is all you need.

On the other hand a real flamer round would probably also be possible.

A flamethrower would be relatively easy. A hard wax round with an igniter that becomes softer during travel (pre-heater? - maybe just air friction) so on impact was liquid enough to stick and burn to the target. Kinda like a realllllllly unpleasant rubber bullet. Would work as a marker as well.

A flamer on the other hand....

Maybe a shotgun shell form factor butane/aerosolised oil cannister under pressure?

Of course the problem is that flamers are truely ineffective weapons (except if you are fighting dried brush ) Great for eyebrow removal, but not a lot more.

 

[Moose]

Of course, all this wonderful alternate ammunition will somewhat complicate the job of local law enforcement when shotguns are the only firearms around!

Me like!

In fact while we're on the subject, how about a contact chemical agent (or is that covered by the "irritant" category already?) All it needs to do is survive the impact of propellant explosion upon firing. Final delivery could be on contact or time/proximity fused, given sufficient tech. Just thinking aloud.

 

[atpollard]

Sometimes looking neat is all you need.

On the other hand a real flamer round would probably also be possible.

A flamethrower would be relatively easy. A hard wax round with an igniter that becomes softer during travel (pre-heater? - maybe just air friction) so on impact was liquid enough to stick and burn to the target. Kinda like a realllllllly unpleasant rubber bullet. Would work as a marker as well.

A flamer on the other hand....

Maybe a shotgun shell form factor butane/aerosolised oil cannister under pressure?

Of course the problem is that flamers are truely ineffective weapons (except if you are fighting dried brush ) Great for eyebrow removal, but not a lot more.

Napalm - it sticks.

 

[Jetrock]

Doh. I think I described it poorly.

I meant more as an extremely large shotgun used off a simple pin mount. The kind of thing to keep large numbers of locals away from the airlock.

Otherwise known as a sandcaster...as I recall, in STRIKER a sandcaster can be used as just such a giant shotgun, just the thing for discouraging native hordes from getting too close: penetration 20 but relatively short range...it's just sand, but it's a LOT of sand going really fast!

 

[tim_manley]

wiley-pete round...

decades ago as a fireman I had a flare-pistol for firing flares to start back-fires (break action single shot).

It was a 12guage smoothbore 2 3/4 inch shell.... and fired shotgun shells juust fine, though the manufacturer said it wasn't rated for it I pumped a number of rounds through it without issue.

most shutugn shell ideas have been made and vetted and are even still in use to this day.

For mine I added somethings like "net shells" -- you fire your shell and it expands into a high tensile strength net as well as evertying you guys mentioned. The "glue" idea was the "tangler" -- face shots were deadly.

 

[DaveChase]

A handy little favorite of mine

(In Real world and Traveller)

Taurus Judge and Taurus Night Court
Even though they are new (only a few years old) the concept and design has been around for years
Only a .410 you say, what can that do. Well think again since hunters have used that cal to shoot dove and pigeons for years. Also the Pistol is chambered for .45 cal long (a lot more kick) and can easily be handled with cowboy loads of the .45
For .410
The accurate and effective range of doing damage is only about 10 feet (6 reccomended).
Some pellets (4 shot) will hit at 20 feet.
A slug will hit about 40 feet (50+ if you are good and are lucky)

Also it is very loud. This could be surprise to anyone not expecting it. (some people figure loud guns mean heavy hitters.

Both have some rifling and the Night Court has a slightly shorter barrel.

I primarly use it (one of several different types) for home defense and when blackpowder hunting loaded with .410 only.

Dave Chase