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Skirts or jumpsuits?

Mithras - if you could put up some shots of models for the difference in dress, I'd happily comment. :devil:

fiat_knox said:
Might I recommend my article on clothing in Traveller in Signs & Portents 69? Link to the magazine here (pdf)
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That was a nice article, though I'd have made the basic clothing (tunics, dresses, skirts, pants) TL 0 or TL 1. Or included a mention of TL0/TL1 clothing.

Now, for planetside wear, that's different. Assuming your stewards are as athletically-built as the men, tight knee-length skirts and severe-looking suit jackets. Emphasise the bust without overt cleavage. Bare legs: stockings not necessary. Light on the makeup, hair cut short or tied up in a bun.

When looking for a Patron or someone to whom to sell a really lucrative spec cargo, appearance is everything.
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I agree whole-heartedly with this.
 
Seriously, nothing sells better than the sight of a mixed crew, the women relaxing in the presence of men who are not trying to hit on them the whole time. The fact that the women feel safe enough in the presence of their straight male crewmates to relax in their company just screams reliability and responsibility to potential paying passengers.
 
Yeah, I would tend toward keeping the dress for the posh liners and jumpsuits for the Free Traders...as anyone who has traveled by tramp freighter knows...there would be lots for the female Traveller to look at but not much for the guys. But, jumpsuits can be tailored to be more akin to PVC suits...indeed that is how my High Tech Vacc Suits look...IMTU.

But, I have assumed that the future is both sexualized and androgynous...so dress is really a matter of preference and used according to plot. Certainly, the large ships may want to hire the most glamorous stewards...but usually player characters are nothing to sneeze at. Afterall, it is all part of the power fantasy that makes RPGs fun - that we are people we are not and the universe is populated with impossible probable.

This whole thread reminds me of a Russian anecdote - In Scotland, it is not wise to chase all skirts...:)
 
Well I've decided on different sets of uniform for different jobs onboard. The monsoon has arrived early, thunderstorms predicted all day in Kathmandu so I'm at a loose end again.

What else can I flesh out for this little starline? I call it Ellis-Itami, one of several merchant trade houses out of Mertactor.

I might try assessing profits on the routes, see what happens there....but maybe I'll regret that if I run into some big deficits and can't explain them. One thing I will do is use the Mongoose method of scaling the income from passenger tickets to jump distance covered...
 
I still think the Stew uniforms from 5th Element were nice. For a tramp freighter Kalie from Firefly has the look down perfect. Jumpsuit with a t-shirt underneath.

It would be hard to pin down a standard outfit with so many different cultures to deal with . Maybe system or Subsystem wide lines would be standard but not smaller lines.

I suspect Class A's may be skirts for the ladies with jumpsuits or slacks for working dress while under way. Men would be some sort of suit for Class A's and jump suits for working wear also. Jumpsuits are cheaper and working wear will take more damage in daily activities.

Depending on the home culture Sarongs would work or Kilts for the lads. But then grass skirts and coconut halves may be standard there also.....:D

Big verse lots of choices.
 
I began on a set of Random National Dress Generation Tables once, but haven't gone far. At the moment all I have a long list of different garments and one table:

Garment is:

1-3 Plain
4-5 Elaborate
6 D6: 1-4: Distinctive, 5-6: Singular

Elaborate garments are decorated is some particular way — lace, trim, embroidery, brocade, etc. — but most garments differ from each other within the overall pattern. Distinctive garments are shaped or elaborated in one particular way, like the plaid shirt of a lumberjack and the overalls of a builder. Sometimes the distinctiveness has a practical function, sometimes it is a matter of tradition. A singular garment is so distinctive that it has a particular name, like a toga. Note that for the purposes of these tables, a toga is a ‘singular robe’.

Example: The garment rolled is a veil. It turns out to be singular. The GM decides that the veil consists of dozens of thin, overlapping strips of a local silk-like material collected in two big rosettes that cover the ears. He then makes up a random word for such a veil: A fogija.
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What I had in mind was being able to quickly roll up a distinctive dress for any subgroup I happened to be writing up.

And if anyone want to run with that idea, feel free.


Hans
 
Mithras said:
Would you mind posting up your big list of garments as well???
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Not at all, but it's unfinished and unformatted and quite a mess. Good luck making heads or tails of it:

Random Garment Tables
A series of tables for determining the garments worn by a strange person or segment of particular society.

Note: Many garments from Old Terra have become generic. The busby, the Glengarry, the mortar-board, the kilt, the toga... they’ve all been copied so often down through the centuries that they’re no longer restricted to one or a few specific times and places and peoples.

Head

Costumes on worlds with tainted atmospheres always include a mask.

Balaclava A close-fitting, knitted woolen cap that covers the head, neck, and tops of the shoulders. Also called balaclava helmet.
Beret A soft, visor-less cap with a close-fitting headband and a wide, round top.
Bicorne A two-cornered cocked hat.
Biretta A stiff square cap with three or four upright projecting pieces extending from the center of the top to the edge. Also beretta. birretta.
Bowler A stiff felt hat with rounded crown and narrow brim. Also Derby.
Broad-brim A hat with a broad brim, as that worn by Quakers.
Busby Tall fur hat with a baglike ornament hanging from the top over the right side, worn by hussars, certain guardsmen, etc. in the British Army.
Caftan A long garment having long sleeves and tied at the waist by a girdle, worn under a coat in the Near East.
Cap
Capote Close-fitting, cap-like bonnet.
Chapeau bras Small, three-cornered hat which can be folded flat and carried undr the arm.
Cocked hat Hat with a wide, stiff brim turned up on two or three sides towards a peaked crown.
Coif Hood-shaped cap
Derby = bowler.
Domino Small mask worn with a domino.
Fedora a soft felt hat with a curled brim, worn with the crown creased lengthwise.
Fez Felt cap, usually of red color, having the shape of a truncated cone, and ornamented by a long, black tassel.
Glengarry A Scotch cap with straight sides, a crease along the top, and sometimes short ribbon streamers at the back.
Hood
Kaffiyeh an Arab headdress made from a diagonally folded square of cloth, held in place by an agai wound around the head.
Kepi Military cap with a flat circular top and a nearly horizontal visor.
Mask
Miter
Mortarboard
Opera hat
Peruke
Poke bonnet
Shako
Shtreimel A round, close-fitting cap trimmed on the outside with a band of fur.
Skullcap
Sombrero
Taj
Tam-o’shanter
Tarboosh a tasseled cap of cloth or felt
Top hat
Toque a velvet hat with a narrow, sometimes turned-up brim, a full crown, and usually a plume. Or a brimless and close-fitting hat in any of several shapes.
Turban
Veil
Wig
Wimple


Neck

Ruff


Upper body and arms

Battle jacket Waist-length woolen jacket with snugly fitting cuffs and waist.
Bodice Cross-laced outer garment covering the waist and bust.
Cummerbund
Sash a long band or scarf worn over one shoulder or around the waist.
Stomacher A richly ornamented garment covering the stomach and chest.
Gloves
Mittens

Lower body and legs

Bloomers
Breeches Knee-length trousers, often having ornamental buckles or elaborate decoration at or near the bottoms.
Divided skirt
Drawers
Filibeg
Galligaskins loose hose or breeches
Hoop skirt
Knickerbockers
Knickers
Lava-lava a piece of printed cloth worn as a loincloth or skirt.
Loin cloth Piece of cloth covering the middle of the body, folded between the legs, and fastened round the loins.
Maxiskirt a long skirt or skirt part, as of a coat, dress, etc., ending below the middle of the calf but above the ankle.
Overalls
Pajamas
Pantaloons
Pants
Philibeg
Plus fours
Riding breeches
Shorts
Tights
Trews close-fitting tartan trousers
Trousers

Feet

Clogs
Moccasins


Buskin A thick-soled, laced boot or half boot.

Whole body

Alb Close-sleeved linen vestment, worn chiefly by priests.
Anorak Jacket with a hood attached.
Apron Loose garment worn over the front part of the body.
Ascot Scarf or necktie with broad ends, tied and arranged so that the ends are laid flat, one across the other.
Balaclava helmet
Blazer Loose-fitting jacket.
Blouse
Bodice Close-fitting part of a dress from the shoulders to the waist.
A woman’s cross-laced outer garment covering the waist and bust
Bolero Short jacket with no front fastening.
Burnoose Hooded mantle or cloak. A kind of cloak with a hood, worn by Arabs and Moors.
Burnous
Bustle
Camisole
Cape Loose sleeveless garment, hanging from the shoulders.
Capote A long cloak with a hood.
Cardigan Knitted woolen jacket that buttons up the front, made with sleeves.
Cardinal
CassockChasuble A sleeveless outer garment worn by ecclesiastics.
Chlamys Short, fine woolen mantle worn by classical Greek men.
Chemise a woman’s dress designed to hang straight from the shoulders and fit loosely at the waist, sometimes more tightly at the hip.
Cloak Loose outer garment without sleeves.
Coat Outer garment with sleeves, buttoned in the front.
Coatee Short coat
Comforter Long, woolen scarf, usually knitted.
Cope Long mantle of silk or other material worn by ecclesiastics over the alb or surplice.
Corsage
Corselet
Corset
Cowl Hooded garment resembling a coat that reach to the thigh. Also the hood of this garment.
Cronoline
Culottes Trousers cut full to resemble a skirt.
Cutaway coat Coat with the front part of the skirt cut away from the waist in a curve or slope.
Dinner-jacket
Dolman
Domino Large, loose cloak, usually hooded, worn with a small mask
Doublet Close-fitting outer garment, with or without sleeves and sometimes having a short skirt.
Dress-coat
Dress-suit
Eton jacket Short, open jacket reaching to the waistline.
Farthingale A hoop skirt or framework for expanding a skirt.
Frock
Frock-coat
Gabardine
Gown Loose, flowing robe
Great-coat
Habit
Haik
Hobble skirt Very narrow skirt.
Horse-cloth
Houppelande a robe or long tunic, belted or with a fitted bodice, usually having full trailing sleeves and often trimmed or lined with fur.
Housing
Huke
Jacket Short, sleeved coat.
Jerkin Short, close-fitting jacket or short coat, usually of leather.
Jumper Outer, loose-fitting garment pulled on over the head and coming down to the hips.
Jupe
Kilt Pleated skirt.
Kimono a loose, widesleeved robe, fastened at the waist with wide sash.
Kirtle
Leotard skintight one-piece garment for the torso, having a high or low neck, long or short sleeves, and a lower portion resembling either briefs or tights.
Macfarlane an overcoat with an attached cape and two slits in front near the waist.
Mackintosh
Maniple
Mantilla Silk or lace head scarf arranged over a high comb and falling over the back and shoulders.
Mantle Loose sleeveless cloak.
Mantlet
Mantua
Middy
Monkey-jacket
Morning-coat
Muffler Scarf worn round the neck for warmth.
Oilskin
Over-coat
Pall
Panier
Pea-jacket
Pelerine
Pelisse
Petticoat
Pinafore
Pilot-jacket
Plaid Long piece of woolen cloth worn over the shoulders by Scottish Highlanders.
Poncho Large piece of cloth with a slit in the middle for the head, worn as a cloak.
Rain-coat
Redingote
Robe Long, loose outer garment.
Roquelaure
Sagum
Sari
Sarong
Scarf Long strip of material worn over the shoulders, round the neck, or over the hair.
Shawl Large piece of material worn over the shoulders or head.
Shift Narrow dress without a waistline.
Shirt Loose-fitting garment for the upper part of the body.
Skirt Garment that hangs from the waist.
Singlet Sleeveless garment; vest
Slicker
Slip
Smock-frock
Spencer
Stays
Stomacher Richly ornamented garment covering the stomach and chest.
Stole
Surcoat A garment worn over medieval armor, often embroidered with heraldic arms.
Surplice A loose-fitting, broad-sleeved white vestment.
Sweater
Tabard Short, sleeveless outer garment.
Tail-coat
Talma
Tippet Scarf or long fur worn round the neck and shoulders with the ends hanging down to the waist in front.
Toga Loose flowing outer garment worn by men in ancient Rome.
Top-coat
Trench-coat
Tunic Loose, short-sleeved or sleeveless outer garment reaching to the knees.
Ulster Long, loose, belted overcoat.
Veil Covering of fine net or other material to protect or hide the face.
Vest Short, sleeveless garment worn under a jacket.
Waistcoat
Waterproof
Wraprascal
Yashmak
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I hope you can use it.


Hans
 
I was thinking about Knightfall, where there's a female vargr among the crew

How does she fit the tail if wearing skirt?

In fact I've always wandered how does the tail fit on most vargr/aslan clothing... and most so in vacc suits including combat armor and battledress).
 
My first thought was how good are airlock seals in YTU? Second was how many accidents occur during normal space operations? I think these issues have a lot of bearing on how space workers would dress and would probably affect how passengers dress as well. Bare skin may not be an option or it might be the norm, it all depends.

MTU is dramatically the opposite of the shirt-sleeve universes depicted in a lot of scifi. I prefer space to be a force of nature that only the hardy dare face and even then requires significant preparation. There are very few day hikes into space. So IMTU, starship crews traditionally wear light vacc suits with zip-up hoods should they need immediate protection. Heavier suits with helmets are always kept at the ready. Passengers generally are kept 2-3 bulkheads away from space, toward the center of the structure. Even then, there are emergency suits made easily accessible for quick donning. Stewards are responsible for their attendees, conducting training on safe space operations and emergency preparedness.

Just my thoughts.
 
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IMTU, the military uses LD Vacc suits as duty uniforms, the scouts use TL14 or TL15 tailored vacc suits.

Most civil shipping is shirtsleeve, but most crew have a vacc suit "just in case." And every stateroom has a rescue ball or two (one per person aboard is my requirement for the OTU setting).
 
karakris said:
An Addition

The famous "Cap Comforter" - knitted hat, as worn by the British Commandos.
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I started on those tables long ago, before there was a Wikipedia. Nowadays it would be much easier to look up any random garment and then follow the link to the Category:Hats or Category:shirts or whatever.


Hans
 
I guess ship's crew's uniforms will vary with the space the ship is on.

In HT it specifies most ship crews (except on safes) wear vacc suits as uniforms due to the risk involved on space travel, and that has become the custoum on Outlands and Wilds (forthose who venture there). It even specifies that most crews wear a soft helmet tied to their vacc suits (and the expressions 'suit and tie system' and 'suitless system' make reference to that to talk about unsafe or safe systems respectively)
 
In our GT campaign, our characters are part of a team of Imperial citizens who now work for the 'Confederation d'Isles' in the Islands-cluster (yes, the one from Six Trillion Credits Squadron) - basically a small, interstellar customs and police force. The uniforms our characters wear are made of a high tech fabric that has a few different memory settings - so we can change from everyday uniform to dress uniform in a matter of moments. In addition the uniforms are tear resistant, offer (very light) armour protection, are mostly self-cleaning, temperature regulating and whatnot. They cannot completely change their basic outlook, though: a jumpsuit uniform (think Star Trek TNG or the newer movies) will always be a jumpsuit basically. But patterns and to a certain extent even the cut can be modified on a whim. Making a skirt out of them would not be an option without a good tailor skilled in nano-fabrics, though.

The tailored vacc suit for the IISS as everyday uniform looking mostly like a work overall/jumpsuit has been part of the extended canon universe as it was in one of the Digest Group publications for the MT universe (either World Builders Handbook or as part of the GM screen). I personally liked that idea - though in our campaign universe the fabric used for the uniforms above is not suitable for vacc suits.
 
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