smoothing the transition to MT

[daryen]

Originally posted by TRAV:
Traveller may have been dead by the time MT came out but MT TNE T4 T20 ad infinitem do not seem to be as popular as CT was in the 80s.

I have no inside information, but I seem to remember that Traveller stayed pretty popular through MT and into TNE.

MT seems to have been born out of a genuine desire on the part of GDW to meet the known desires of their customers. MT contained pretty much what most of Traveller fandom seemed to be asking for: unified rules, more detail, a task system, and a more exciting setting. Plus it was being driven by a "fan company" that consistenly put out the best Traveller material available at the time. While I maintain the setting was badly botched, what they tried to do was good.

MT ended because no one had actually thought of an ending. By the time they wanted to deal with the end, things had badly spun out of control. Add in the now divergent desires and goals of DGP and GDW, and you have the need for a new Traveller version.

For TNE, while I despise the setting, I can fully accept why it was necessary. It also made a lot of sense to pull Traveller into the "house system", so as to give themselves more options. (Though they were apparently never taken.)

Also, TNE was actually pretty successful. TNE only died because GDW died. GDW didn't die due to Traveller. And despite its demise, and the total abandonment of the fandom by its author, TNE is still reasonably popular. There seems to be more conjecture and speculation about the "mysteries of TNE" than anything in any other version of Traveller.

To sum up, I don't believe Traveller "died" until GDW died. Despite any flaws of the then active versions, Traveller was chugging along nicely until GDW disappeared out from under it.

BTW, notice I ignored T4? I don't know anything about it, other than it disappeared before I even knew it had started.

Not dissing Traveller just dissapointed. It seems things I like die fast, like Firefly, not even one whole season and poof!

Boy I understand that feeling! About the only show I got sucked into that survived was B5. And even then it was a mystery every year as to whether it would continue or not.

But look at the bright side. The Reprints are available for nostalgia and GT seems to still be thriving, even with a much more competative market than CT had to face. It is still too early to say whether T20 will stick around, but the early returns look pretty good.

To use my namesakes as an example, Traveller may never reach the heights to which it once had, and its been down a pretty rocky road, but its future looks pretty good right now.

 

[daryen]

Originally posted by TRAV:
Traveller may have been dead by the time MT came out but MT TNE T4 T20 ad infinitem do not seem to be as popular as CT was in the 80s.

I have no inside information, but I seem to remember that Traveller stayed pretty popular through MT and into TNE.

MT seems to have been born out of a genuine desire on the part of GDW to meet the known desires of their customers. MT contained pretty much what most of Traveller fandom seemed to be asking for: unified rules, more detail, a task system, and a more exciting setting. Plus it was being driven by a "fan company" that consistenly put out the best Traveller material available at the time. While I maintain the setting was badly botched, what they tried to do was good.

MT ended because no one had actually thought of an ending. By the time they wanted to deal with the end, things had badly spun out of control. Add in the now divergent desires and goals of DGP and GDW, and you have the need for a new Traveller version.

For TNE, while I despise the setting, I can fully accept why it was necessary. It also made a lot of sense to pull Traveller into the "house system", so as to give themselves more options. (Though they were apparently never taken.)

Also, TNE was actually pretty successful. TNE only died because GDW died. GDW didn't die due to Traveller. And despite its demise, and the total abandonment of the fandom by its author, TNE is still reasonably popular. There seems to be more conjecture and speculation about the "mysteries of TNE" than anything in any other version of Traveller.

To sum up, I don't believe Traveller "died" until GDW died. Despite any flaws of the then active versions, Traveller was chugging along nicely until GDW disappeared out from under it.

BTW, notice I ignored T4? I don't know anything about it, other than it disappeared before I even knew it had started.

Not dissing Traveller just dissapointed. It seems things I like die fast, like Firefly, not even one whole season and poof!

Boy I understand that feeling! About the only show I got sucked into that survived was B5. And even then it was a mystery every year as to whether it would continue or not.

But look at the bright side. The Reprints are available for nostalgia and GT seems to still be thriving, even with a much more competative market than CT had to face. It is still too early to say whether T20 will stick around, but the early returns look pretty good.

To use my namesakes as an example, Traveller may never reach the heights to which it once had, and its been down a pretty rocky road, but its future looks pretty good right now.

 

[Jame]

Perhaps Traveller will remain strong, but it seems to be going slowly right now.

Of course, I no longer have the time to sit and observe, and I'm sort of still in shock over it. So I might be observing it from a place of some sort in my life.

 

[Jame]

Perhaps Traveller will remain strong, but it seems to be going slowly right now.

Of course, I no longer have the time to sit and observe, and I'm sort of still in shock over it. So I might be observing it from a place of some sort in my life.

 

[Sophiathegreen]

GDW went under because of than bad ecomony cycle or where there other ploblen. We are in a really bad ecomony cycle now I talk to alot of merchant in two mall the busyest in El Paso and their are telling me bussien is slow all round. Since my mother die a year ago which cut my income in half as we share SS income
and expenses. A friend is driveing to HUD agentcy office in NM to see it I can join than program where they paid 3/4 of your rent it you are low income. Apartment builting manger like this as it mean the rent income is safe. I with my mother paid 446 dollar
amonth in rent they orginal want to raise it to 470 amonth but the mangment here told the main owner in Kendtuy that there are more apartment builting than
renter in El Paso so they lower it to 460 amonth I Live here for over 10 year with the rent being 446 amonth. I than glad my bother is getting 20 % vertan disabilites of 201 dollar amonth.

 

[Sophiathegreen]

GDW went under because of than bad ecomony cycle or where there other ploblen. We are in a really bad ecomony cycle now I talk to alot of merchant in two mall the busyest in El Paso and their are telling me bussien is slow all round. Since my mother die a year ago which cut my income in half as we share SS income
and expenses. A friend is driveing to HUD agentcy office in NM to see it I can join than program where they paid 3/4 of your rent it you are low income. Apartment builting manger like this as it mean the rent income is safe. I with my mother paid 446 dollar
amonth in rent they orginal want to raise it to 470 amonth but the mangment here told the main owner in Kendtuy that there are more apartment builting than
renter in El Paso so they lower it to 460 amonth I Live here for over 10 year with the rent being 446 amonth. I than glad my bother is getting 20 % vertan disabilites of 201 dollar amonth.

 

[daryen]

When it comes back up, go over to Downport. It contains a FAQ section, and I believe the end of GDW is covered there somewhere. I would hunt the link down, but the site is currently inaccessible.

Basically, several things, each of which would have been survivable if faced alone, combined at once to kill the company. While I can't remember the various details, I do remember that Traveller itself (then TNE) was not part of the problem.

 

[daryen]

When it comes back up, go over to Downport. It contains a FAQ section, and I believe the end of GDW is covered there somewhere. I would hunt the link down, but the site is currently inaccessible.

Basically, several things, each of which would have been survivable if faced alone, combined at once to kill the company. While I can't remember the various details, I do remember that Traveller itself (then TNE) was not part of the problem.