Solomani Symbol
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Andrew Boulton
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Can't get much more competitive than war...
Maladominus
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How about competing for the opposite sex? 
far-trader
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Isn't that warfare too 
The Hinterworlds Rambler
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Was it really so much of "Communism won" rather than collectivism reared its ugly ass head again? From wht I've read on Sols they have a large chunk of "Human Supremacy" dogma, which is ultimately bad for societies. Sure, it may last for a bit, but eventually it would collapse under the weight of its own prejudices.
IMTU, The sols lost control of Earth because they couldn't stand up to the Imperium, which makes a lot of sense because the Imperium had been at the whole interstellar brinksmanship game for a LOT longer period of time. I also changed it to where the Sols almost lost internal control due to incredibly powerful megacorporations (complete with Private Armies/Fleet), but they won in the end after a series of brutal and destructive "Corporate Wars". At the moment of 1100 imtu, there is a James Bond style cold war, spanning several Sectors between Sol and Imperial space.
Two things I never liked about the OTU were the "Sols can do anything!" sort of attitude and the "Stagnant Imperium" attitude. Imho, any empire spanning so many sectors (sol or imp) would NEVER be socially stagnant.
IMTU, The sols lost control of Earth because they couldn't stand up to the Imperium, which makes a lot of sense because the Imperium had been at the whole interstellar brinksmanship game for a LOT longer period of time. I also changed it to where the Sols almost lost internal control due to incredibly powerful megacorporations (complete with Private Armies/Fleet), but they won in the end after a series of brutal and destructive "Corporate Wars". At the moment of 1100 imtu, there is a James Bond style cold war, spanning several Sectors between Sol and Imperial space.
Two things I never liked about the OTU were the "Sols can do anything!" sort of attitude and the "Stagnant Imperium" attitude. Imho, any empire spanning so many sectors (sol or imp) would NEVER be socially stagnant.
The Hinterworlds Rambler
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Exactly. The area spoken of would be so overwhelmingly large (even though you can quantify it on a map) with so many things going on in different systems and subsectors, that it would defy the true description of what we that live on one planet could put on it.
Terrestrial terms like "Communism" or "capitalism" may be nothing more but local necessity applied to a given society. People living on an asteroid belt or a planet that requires domes or enclosed environments, there would have to be a certain level of collectivism in order to set basic survival routines into motion. It wouldn't be the Kremlin-style communism per se. That kind of communism wouldn't "win" because that kind of communism doesn't work. Not if you want to have a society that can adapt.*
Likewise with capitalism. At best it would be Hyper-Capitalism. Interstellar trade would not be as easy to predict as the economics of one planet. The way the trade system in traveller is set up (with all the variables attached) bears this out.
*Before China comes up, consider what sort of changes are taking place there right now. They know htey have to adapt if they are to survive.
Terrestrial terms like "Communism" or "capitalism" may be nothing more but local necessity applied to a given society. People living on an asteroid belt or a planet that requires domes or enclosed environments, there would have to be a certain level of collectivism in order to set basic survival routines into motion. It wouldn't be the Kremlin-style communism per se. That kind of communism wouldn't "win" because that kind of communism doesn't work. Not if you want to have a society that can adapt.*
Likewise with capitalism. At best it would be Hyper-Capitalism. Interstellar trade would not be as easy to predict as the economics of one planet. The way the trade system in traveller is set up (with all the variables attached) bears this out.
*Before China comes up, consider what sort of changes are taking place there right now. They know htey have to adapt if they are to survive.
Kremlin style communism might be able to work in a closed or isolated system, such as what occurred in the Long Night. If it had no local competition there'd be no other side for the grass to be greener on, and without hostile rivals might not be so political controlling of its population. ? ?
?Commander Drax
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If that's the case we should all be making use of personalised wormholes to get about!
Sad but true
The solomani were never communists, just faschists...
anders lager
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The Solomani "logo"
Hi!
In Sweden this symbol is known as the sun-wheel. It's a common theme in Swedish Bronze-age art.
/doc.
Hi!
In Sweden this symbol is known as the sun-wheel. It's a common theme in Swedish Bronze-age art.
/doc.
The only thing with the symbol is that it's also used by a lot of white supremacists today. I've seen it spraypainted as part of racist grafitti in my area.
That doesn't bother me per se', tho I do have concerns that some PC dork might see it in a traveller game and, thru the magic of PC logic, declare traveller to be a racist white supremacist game that must be banned for the good of the children.
As to the communism/capitalism issue, the problem is that unchecked capitalism will eventually lead to a situation like in america today, where a few "winners" manage to amass so much wealth they effectively taker control of the system have laws and regulations tailored to their interests at the expense of everyone else, eliminate competition because it threatens their power base and installs what is virtually a modern feudal system of lords and serfs.
Capitalism is powerful but needs controls or it becomes as bad or worse than any other system.
That doesn't bother me per se', tho I do have concerns that some PC dork might see it in a traveller game and, thru the magic of PC logic, declare traveller to be a racist white supremacist game that must be banned for the good of the children.
As to the communism/capitalism issue, the problem is that unchecked capitalism will eventually lead to a situation like in america today, where a few "winners" manage to amass so much wealth they effectively taker control of the system have laws and regulations tailored to their interests at the expense of everyone else, eliminate competition because it threatens their power base and installs what is virtually a modern feudal system of lords and serfs.
Capitalism is powerful but needs controls or it becomes as bad or worse than any other system.
far-trader
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Wouldn't matter, the PC nutbars can and do find fault with anything and everything. Screw (if you'll pardon my french) them. I seem to recall claims that the peace symbol was a harbinger of evil too, ripped off from the swastika* and hippies were all a bunch of devil worshiping lunatics.
* which by the way is an older and nobler symbol stolen by the Nazi regime because they knew it looked cool
Well, you and I understand those issues, the PC pod people don't. As to the peace symbol it was called a 'broken cross" and has been banned by the texas school system, along with virtually every other symbol that isn't in line with the far right's ideology.
Then again, texas has always been kind of like a conservative taliban regime in america, where things like free speech only apply to the "right" people and views.
