staterooms

[coliver988]

I looked for an existing thread as I'm sure this has been discussed a great deal, but the search function on this site is, well, interesting comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure this site someplace had that really interesting concept living space that was a 3 meter cube (all curves, the bed niche above the door).

Anyway - some apartments in India, I believe:
http://www.shubhgriha.com/pages/plans.php

the 465 square foot = 43.12 sq m x 3m = 9.24dTon. The bedroom comes out to 2.036 dTon (assuming 14 cubic meters to the dTon)

 

[Icosahedron]

Was that cube in the 'laundry' thread?

I'm just guessing - as you say, the search function is too 'interesting' for me to even try...

 

[Whipsnade]

I'm pretty sure this site someplace had that really interesting concept living space that was a 3 meter cube (all curves, the bed niche above the door).

Coliver,

That is sweet!

As a hobby we've been "deckplanning" block after block after block for 30 years because, quite frankly that easier in on both graph paper and in drawing programs, but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that stateroom wouldn't be cubes. Especially passenger staterooms.

I read a book a few decades ago detailing the rise of "edge cities", those not-quite urban, not quite suburban, and definitely not rural conglomerations of shopping, offices, malls, and housing that "ooze" between urban centers. One of the more intriguing chapter dealt with why malls are designed the way there are and the great care the builders take to break up sight lines in order to disguise distances within the building and provide a comfort/cozy feeling.

They've found that people will only walk so far IF they know how far they're walking. They won't window shop from one end of a mall to another if the distance involved is a straight uncluttered line. However, if you break up that line people will walk the distances required.

You can see a little of this echoed in newer, upscale hotels. The corridors on each of the guest floors are no longer straight lines with straight walls. Doors are recessed in alcoves now, there are small sitting areas every so often, and floor plans in an otherwise rectangular building don't consist of a few corridors following the longest dimension but instead of several "cozy" corridors intersecting at right angles after running shorter distances.

There reasons for this are part of the human psyche. Commercial architects and builders quite literally stumbled across the effect well before anyone had theorized about it. When you consider that passengers will be aboard a starship for one week, the need for such comfort and "coziness" will be even greater than the need to lure shoppers the length of a mall from one anchor store to the other.

Thanks again for the "deckplan" and website!


Regards,
Bill

 

[Easterner9504]

Corridors

I respectfully disagree, if your building a giant ship like King Richard the aesthetics are important as a mall or hotel. But most TRAV ships are small and space at a premium. Additionally military ships have straight corridors for a reason, rapid crew/marine movement (see FINAL COUNTDOWN film for reminder) PC ships tend towards trouble so benefits from straight corridors as military. Placing irregular shaped rooms would waste valuable space on limited beam ships, plenty of rooms are mis-shapen naturally from hull configuration.

 

[Whipsnade]

I respectfully disagree, if your building a giant ship like King Richard the aesthetics are important as a mall or hotel.

E9504,

I was talking about ships like the King Richard but my post was not clear on that count.

But most TRAV ships are small and space at a premium.

The apartment buildings found in the link Colliver provided are just as constrained, albeit for different reasons. Using blocks of cube-like staterooms needn't happen, you can be both funky and space conscious.

Additionally military ships have straight corridors for a reason, rapid crew/marine movement (see FINAL COUNTDOWN film for reminder) PC ships tend towards trouble so benefits from straight corridors as military.

Agreed, although the ships I served aboard didn't have passageways that ran from bow to stern.

Placing irregular shaped rooms would waste valuable space on limited beam ships, plenty of rooms are mis-shapen naturally from hull configuration.

Look at the those apartment deckplans again. The rooms aren't irregular but they're not cubes or rectangles either.


Regards,
Bill

 

[coliver988]

they fit together like jigsaw pieces - no wasted space, just not square. So the apartments (or staterooms) next to each other would be the reverse of the other, and fit together. Hence no wasted spaces. The entire intent of that particular apartment building was to maximize space utilization.

Anyway, here's one cube space I found, just not that curvy one: http://www.psfk.com/2009/03/paco-minimalist-living-cube.html

and a 'living space RV' : http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-news/nissan-nv2500-and-forums-concepts-cube-370z-and-infiniti-g-convertible-in?model=NV2500+Concept&artid=105003

 

[atpollard]

they fit together like jigsaw pieces - no wasted space, just not square. So the apartments (or staterooms) next to each other would be the reverse of the other, and fit together. Hence no wasted spaces. The entire intent of that particular apartment building was to maximize space utilization.

I don't think that they do 'fit together'. Most of those cut-outs appear to have windows, which would make interlocking units problematic.

 

[mbrinkhues]

Well, you can get a complete living space including kitchen and shower in 3.75m2:

It's legal even in germany. And this is actually considered "the best" of the Braunschweig Dorms.

 

[Wiltshiresaint]

An interesting variation on this might be something I saw online somewhere a couple of days back. It was a regular hotel size room that had at one end a revolving circular structure within the the room itself. Only part of the circular area was open to the room itself and it housed a kitchen unit, wc & shower, and drop down bed, all of which revolved within the structure depending on which one was required. In the room itself was a sofa and dining table with chairs. Very cool looking and a real spacesaver.

I wish I could find a link but I'm at work right now and don't have time to search for it.

 

[dean]

An interesting variation on this might be something I saw online somewhere a couple of days back. It was a regular hotel size room that had at one end a revolving circular structure within the the room itself. Only part of the circular area was open to the room itself and it housed a kitchen unit, wc & shower, and drop down bed, all of which revolved within the structure depending on which one was required. In the room itself was a sofa and dining table with chairs. Very cool looking and a real spacesaver.

I wish I could find a link but I'm at work right now and don't have time to search for it.

Sounds cool, but what a pain if you have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom...

 

[CosmicGamer]

Sounds cool, but what a pain if you have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom...

Roll out of bed, take one step and you are no longer in the bedroom, tap a button and wait for area to rotate, take one step and you are now in the bathroom. Don't know if thats how it works.

A problem I see is that one night you hit the wrong button, the room doesn't rotate and, half asleep, you piss on your bed.

 

[dean]

Roll out of bed, take one step and you are no longer in the bedroom, tap a button and wait for area to rotate, take one step and you are now in the bathroom. Don't know if thats how it works.

A problem I see is that one night you hit the wrong button, the room doesn't rotate and, half asleep, you piss on your bed.

Or the bed has to fold up, before the room can rotate, and your partner is Not Pleased.

 

[Wiltshiresaint]

Roll out of bed, take one step and you are no longer in the bedroom, tap a button and wait for area to rotate, take one step and you are now in the bathroom. Don't know if thats how it works.

A problem I see is that one night you hit the wrong button, the room doesn't rotate and, half asleep, you piss on your bed.

LOL at the replies

I hadn't thought of those pitfalls. You see, I was seduced by the form and forgot the function!

Here's something vaguely similar that demonstrates the principle:

http://www.compact-concepts.com/englisch/index.html

Make it bigger, fit it out and you get the idea.

Just a thought, and maybe needs some more thinking out, but certainly a concept that I can imagine in a Traveller starship.