Turret installation

[far-trader]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
Oh! HG1! No wonder. I've never even seen a copy of HG1.

Yeah, funny story, maybe

I have had HG1, since about when it came out, because our "gotta have it" guy in the group bought it, and then HG2 when it came out soon after. I can't recall if I paid money on the deal or what but it was mine at that point, and has rather warped my concepts of "canon" ever since

I now have his old HG2 as well, since he dumped all his Traveller stuff for me to broker for him a while back. After the dust settled it was one of the remainders, I may have to keep it as unsaleable It's been kinda fun comparing the two and twigging old fond memories. Well, 'nuff waxing nostalgic for me, what was the topic again?

 

[far-trader]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
Oh! HG1! No wonder. I've never even seen a copy of HG1.

Yeah, funny story, maybe

I have had HG1, since about when it came out, because our "gotta have it" guy in the group bought it, and then HG2 when it came out soon after. I can't recall if I paid money on the deal or what but it was mine at that point, and has rather warped my concepts of "canon" ever since

I now have his old HG2 as well, since he dumped all his Traveller stuff for me to broker for him a while back. After the dust settled it was one of the remainders, I may have to keep it as unsaleable It's been kinda fun comparing the two and twigging old fond memories. Well, 'nuff waxing nostalgic for me, what was the topic again?

 

[RobertFisher]

I love this. I could've specified Book 2 with hardpoint available, but I'm glad I didn't. The thread is so much more interesting (& hopefully more useful to more people) this way. (Those fixed mounts are interesting.)

But, yeah, I was specifically considering a Book 2 standard design with an unoccupied hardpoint.

Follow up questions: Would you consider installation part of the purchase price listed in the books, or would it be separate? In either case, how much would it be? How would you handle a PC trying to do the installation himself?

 

[RobertFisher]

I love this. I could've specified Book 2 with hardpoint available, but I'm glad I didn't. The thread is so much more interesting (& hopefully more useful to more people) this way. (Those fixed mounts are interesting.)

But, yeah, I was specifically considering a Book 2 standard design with an unoccupied hardpoint.

Follow up questions: Would you consider installation part of the purchase price listed in the books, or would it be separate? In either case, how much would it be? How would you handle a PC trying to do the installation himself?

 

[mike wightman]

I would think the purchase price includes installation, which can be carried out at any A or B class starport in a few hours - a day maximum.
If attempting to do so at a C or D class starport I would require an Engineering roll and say 2 days - one to fit, one to test and calibrate.
Attempting such a refit in the field or at a type E starport would also take a couple of days, and carry a penalty to the Engineering roll.

 

[mike wightman]

I would think the purchase price includes installation, which can be carried out at any A or B class starport in a few hours - a day maximum.
If attempting to do so at a C or D class starport I would require an Engineering roll and say 2 days - one to fit, one to test and calibrate.
Attempting such a refit in the field or at a type E starport would also take a couple of days, and carry a penalty to the Engineering roll.

 

[far-trader]

I'd agree with Sigg that purchase price would include installation, with one caveat, no standard discount. And if for some reason the PC's have picked up the hardware and are looking for installation that'll cost (book 2) 10% the value of the hardware (the standard discount value).

The hardware would be available only at a class A or B starport, or any Scout or Navy base imo. Installation would be no problem for even a class C starport (treating as repair) but not possible below that.

PC self installation, tricky, lots of variables. Probably easiest to say no.

Times. A day to change a single weapon in a turret and a day to install or remove a turret. So for a new triple turret with weapons, 4 days. Or to swap a single weapon for a different type in an already installed turret, 4 days (1 day to remove turret, 1 day to remove old weapon, 1 day to install new weapon, and 1 day to reinstall turret). Multiple turrets could be installed at the same time by different teams if available*. But there'd be no other business possible on the ship during that time and the crew would have to find other accomodations.

* 8+ roll for an extra team, DM +3 for class A, DM +0 for class B, DM -2 for class C, DM +5 for Navy base, DM +2 for Scout base; continue rolling till you miss for total teams available. Note: getting the work done on a base would be a special circumstance.

Landing fees. Those are for regular port facility access, not repair and such imo. So they have to land (book 2 cr100 for up to 6 days) then have the ship transferred to the repair yards but still keep the slip open at the regular field for when the work is done.

Just a few thoughts. And yes the open nature of your question was a good thing. I think the differences are good, not exclusive, but examples of different practices. The Solomani (fixed mounts option), civilian and paramilitary ships (book 2 and some of HG1) and Imperial Military ships (HG2). As one possible interpretation of how they are all CT.

 

[far-trader]

I'd agree with Sigg that purchase price would include installation, with one caveat, no standard discount. And if for some reason the PC's have picked up the hardware and are looking for installation that'll cost (book 2) 10% the value of the hardware (the standard discount value).

The hardware would be available only at a class A or B starport, or any Scout or Navy base imo. Installation would be no problem for even a class C starport (treating as repair) but not possible below that.

PC self installation, tricky, lots of variables. Probably easiest to say no.

Times. A day to change a single weapon in a turret and a day to install or remove a turret. So for a new triple turret with weapons, 4 days. Or to swap a single weapon for a different type in an already installed turret, 4 days (1 day to remove turret, 1 day to remove old weapon, 1 day to install new weapon, and 1 day to reinstall turret). Multiple turrets could be installed at the same time by different teams if available*. But there'd be no other business possible on the ship during that time and the crew would have to find other accomodations.

* 8+ roll for an extra team, DM +3 for class A, DM +0 for class B, DM -2 for class C, DM +5 for Navy base, DM +2 for Scout base; continue rolling till you miss for total teams available. Note: getting the work done on a base would be a special circumstance.

Landing fees. Those are for regular port facility access, not repair and such imo. So they have to land (book 2 cr100 for up to 6 days) then have the ship transferred to the repair yards but still keep the slip open at the regular field for when the work is done.

Just a few thoughts. And yes the open nature of your question was a good thing. I think the differences are good, not exclusive, but examples of different practices. The Solomani (fixed mounts option), civilian and paramilitary ships (book 2 and some of HG1) and Imperial Military ships (HG2). As one possible interpretation of how they are all CT.

 

[aramis]

If you use TNE/T4 "Turret Cans", it will take longer to get everything under the crane (about 30 minutes) than to do the actual swap (About 20m).

Installing a turret into the right size socket: about the same. Unbolt the coverplate, and drop in the can, and re-bolt down the retainer ring.

If you didn't build the socket in, figure a week, as they have to cut the whole, brace to frame, run the power, and install the socket and turret.

 

[aramis]

If you use TNE/T4 "Turret Cans", it will take longer to get everything under the crane (about 30 minutes) than to do the actual swap (About 20m).

Installing a turret into the right size socket: about the same. Unbolt the coverplate, and drop in the can, and re-bolt down the retainer ring.

If you didn't build the socket in, figure a week, as they have to cut the whole, brace to frame, run the power, and install the socket and turret.