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[whartung]

It seems to me that a person educated on a TL 12 world will have an experience of TL 12, not TL 15.

Outside of, say, a Jump Drive mechanic, how does a TL 12 education affect this person?

If you're learning jump drive physics on a TL 12 world, do you really think they would not learn the breakthroughs in Jump theory that allowed for Jump-6. Or, perhaps, Jump-6 has always been possible, and it's simply an engineering problem the TL-15 worlds have infrastructure for and TL-12 do not.

Just like Doctor in Africa know full well about modern antibiotics, he just can't get his hands on any of them, much less make them. But if he could, he could apply the appropriately.

What other things might a TL-15 educated person know that a TL-12 person would not?

 

[Supplement Four]

What other things might a TL-15 educated person know that a TL-12 person would not?

I would suggest reading Asimov's Foundation.

I'm reading the second book, Foundation and Empire, right now, and a man in the beginning has a belt with gizmos on it that he says he saw the belt produce a personal force field.

The power source is the size of a walnut, and it is solid state. It looks like a lump of solid metal. Though, somehow, it powered a personal force shield at one time--something that would take an ungodly amount of power.

This is a great example showing the relationship of EDU and homeworld TL.

It's about TL perspective.





It should be noted, too, that TL encompasses the tech that is possible, in general, on that world. Infrastructure.



From the Traveller Book TL Chart....

Battledress is first available at TL 13. This could mean that examples of BD at TL 12 are experimental models that are at a high cost vs. the TL 15 models on TL 15 worlds that easily have the parts and needed components to build TL 15 suits.

EDU may or may not understand how to make that leap needed to make TL 12 Battledress.



TL 12 has common primitive robots. TL 13+ has common cloning.

Obviously, being educated at TL 13 is probably better than being educated at TL 12.

 

[coliver988]

<snip>Obviously, being educated at TL 13 is probably better than being educated at TL 12.

Depends: living on a TL 2 world, your TL15 education is probably useless. You would expect to have the tools needed, and not be able to make the tools that make the tools that make the tools you need.

And the type of education matters: one of my degrees is philosophy - other than broad ethical considerations, it has nothing to do with my computer science degree and career. Well, other than also recognizing there are a large number of ways to solve any problem, but I think that came out of doing this way too long...

However - in general I agree that a higher tech level education is probably better.

 

[atpollard]

Thomas Edison was born at TL 4. Illness prevented him from starting school until age 8. His schoolmaster thought him too stupid to learn. He dropped out and was home schooled by his mother. At age 12, young Edison had to start working to earn a living.

Thomas Edison seemed to do ok in spite of all his educational “disadvantages” and one shudders to think what he might have accomplished if he had lived just outside a Class D Starport.

So what penalty should Thomas Edison get in CharGen and how low is his education?

Just some speculative thoughts.

 

[Supplement Four]

Thomas Edison was born at TL 4. Illness prevented him from starting school until age 8. His schoolmaster thought him too stupid to learn. He dropped out and was home schooled by his mother. At age 12, young Edison had to start working to earn a living.

Thomas Edison seemed to do ok in spite of all his educational “disadvantages” and one shudders to think what he might have accomplished if he had lived just outside a Class D Starport.

So what penalty should Thomas Edison get in CharGen and how low is his education?

Just some speculative thoughts.

Point taken, but we're talking about taking Thomas Edison, as brilliant as he was, and putting him into a working position at SpaceX. TL 4 person in a TL A job.

Thus, the problem is obvious.

 

[mike wightman]

If you can read the books you can learn.

A TL4 native is not stupid, if they can read they can learn, or are you suggesting a TL7 baby is intrinsically more intelligent than a TL4 baby? Or that someone born in a developing world country can not learn calculus, quantum field theory or general relativity?

A culture educates its citizens in the paradigms it has developed.

A lot of not very intelligent but wealthy students receive an education from very prestigious universities, they have a high Education. But it is highly doubtful if they can use that Education without the Intelligence to back it up. I studied with lots of them...

 

[whartung]

If you can read the books you can learn.

Which goes to the fundamental point: There's no reason that there aren't TL15 text books on TL12 worlds. They may not be able to do the labs, but they can learn the theory.

Books are cheap. TL15 is NOT cutting edge (it's been around for 100's of years). TL discrepancies are more "willful ignorance" after that much time.

 

[mike wightman]

Which is precisely my point.

In the beginning - the proto-Imperium days - you could argue that worlds in the Spinward Marches had only recently been contacted and absorbed into the Imperium and that Imperial TL15 technology is a rarity and a closely guarded secret of the Imperium.


As the setting has developed we find that the remote central government possessing great industrial and technological might has actually been all over the Marches for a thousand years, the Imperium has had TL15 military technology since at least the 700s and the civilian Imperium has been designated as TL15 for over a century. There will be TL15 books, science, technology, engineering, maths etc all over the Imperium.

A world may only be TL10 because of its manufacturing infrastructure, but it knows about TL15 if it is an Imperial member world.