Using Original Data with Poster Maker

[creativehum]

I have subsector data I would like to input into the Traveller Poster Maker and produce a map.

Is there a way of doing that? I've tried cutting and pasting the data into the field (Tab Columns: Hex, Name, UWP, Notes) but nothing gets produced.

 

[robject]

I have subsector data I would like to input into the Traveller Poster Maker and produce a map.

Is there a way of doing that? I've tried cutting and pasting the data into the field (Tab Columns: Hex, Name, UWP, Notes) but nothing gets produced.

Yes, but make sure you have a column header line. I'll post a link to my code which generates just such example data... Hang on, have to switch pages...

Here you go. Ignore the boilerplate XML nonsense and look at the data itself. Note the header line. Copy and paste that directly to poster-maker and see the magnificence of Travellermap!

http://eaglestone.pocketempires.com/survey/t5-prog/t5sysgen.pl

 

[creativehum]

Yes, but make sure you have a column header line. I'll post a link to my code which generates just such example data... Hang on, have to switch pages...

Here you go. Ignore the boilerplate XML nonsense and look at the data itself. Note the header line. Copy and paste that directly to poster-maker and see the magnificence of Travellermap!

http://eaglestone.pocketempires.com/survey/t5-prog/t5sysgen.pl

I'm one step closer! Thank you!

1) Do I need to have date for all the columns? I built a Book 3 Subsector. Can the other columns be blank?

2) Will tabs work for the columns, or do they need to be spaces? (I noticed last night when looking at the sample data sectors in the Poster Maker from the OTU the columns were not separated with tabs but with spaces.)


Also, robject, did you build the World Builder? (http://eaglestone.pocketempires.com/cgi-bin/worldbuilder.pl) I used it last night for the entire subsector. It was awesome!

 

[creativehum]

I set up my four columns under the full header line (the remaining columns under each header were blank.)

I aligned each time under the first four headers with spaces.

Hit the preview button... and got nothing. I think there is still something I'm missing.

 

[GypsyComet]

I've fed it Book 3 data (from BerKa's subsector generator) with no headers and it handles it just fine. It can handle T5 data in a tab format, but a header is needed ( http://travellermap.com/doc/fileformats ).

One possible issue is the age of your browser.

 

[creativehum]

I'm using the latest version of Safari. Tried Chrome. No luck with either.

When I try to generate, I get a Sector full of Hexes on black, but no systems or information.

This is what I'm pasting in (note that all the columns line up in the Poster Maker window):

Hex Name UWP Remarks
---- --------------- --------- ----------------------
0103 Mirza E686530-2 Ag Ni
0104 Bahmanyar C964875-3 Ri
0105 Farrokh D689759-4 Ri
0107 Jasper B798300-8 Lo Ni
0110 Shaahin C9968BB-8
0201 Korosh D11057A-5 Ni
0202 Parviz C7A5553-5 Fl Ni
0207 Shakam X257200-3 Lo Ni
0208 Tahamtan D577355-4 Lo Ni
0210 Kuros D66738B-2 Lo Ni
0304 Hamid E467204-7 Lo Ni
0306 Anoshiravan E777111-6 Lo Ni
0401 Hardar B524599-A Ni
0404 Pahlevan X549122-0 Lo Ni
0407 Esfandiyar B643456-7 Ni Po
0408 Farnian D10047A-A Ni Va
0410 Sahand A767658-B Ag Ri Cp
0502 Isatvastra B7548AB-5
0504 Shahruz B222211-8 Lo Ni Po
0505 Pezhman C412552-7 Ic Ni
0506 Qura C453367-8 Lo Ni Po
0507 Zaves C165233-B Lo Ni
0604 Ganrous B300512-9 Ni Va
0608 Dobbi B989744-6 Ri
0701 Sarfa C7C5AB8-9 Fl Hi
0702 Nadalan D347779-2 Ag
0703 Lorcan C378766-6 Ag
0704 Aldan C668489-7 Ni
0705 Eamon A57A778-9 Wa
0706 Ateer D79A841-3 Wa
0708 Quinian D78A68B-5 Ri Wa
0709 Kieran B572649-5
0803 Curren D35588A-4
0804 Fintan E121110-8 Lo Ni Po
0807 Ossian D564122-4 Lo Ni

 

[salochin999]

What I did for my first attempt was take the travellermap data for an existing sub sector and then manually change just the bits I needed to change: hex number, name, UWP and naval/scout base data.

edit: number of spaces matter

 

[GypsyComet]

I'm using the latest version of Safari. Tried Chrome. No luck with either.

When I try to generate, I get a Sector full of Hexes on black, but no systems or information.

This is what I'm pasting in (note that all the columns line up in the Poster Maker window):

That still had some tabs in it.

This worked for me, and should work for you (assuming the copy from the forum page doesn't strip spaces):

Mirza         0103 E686530-2    Ag Ni              111 Na
Bahmanyar     0104 C964875-3    Ri                 111 Na
Farrokh       0105 D689759-4    Ri                 111 Na
Jasper        0107 B798300-8    Lo Ni              111 Na
Shaahin       0110 C9968BB-8                       111 Na
Korosh        0201 D11057A-5    Ni                 111 Na
Parviz        0202 C7A5553-5    Fl Ni              111 Na
Shakam        0207 X257200-3    Lo Ni              111 Na
Tahamtan      0208 D577355-4    Lo Ni              111 Na
Kuros         0210 D66738B-2    Lo Ni              111 Na
Hamid         0304 E467204-7    Lo Ni              111 Na
Anoshiravan   0306 E777111-6    Lo Ni              111 Na
Hardar        0401 B524599-A    Ni                 111 Na
Pahlevan      0404 X549122-0    Lo Ni              111 Na
Esfandiyar    0407 B643456-7    Ni Po              111 Na
Farnian       0408 D10047A-A    Ni Va              111 Na
Sahand        0410 A767658-B    Ag Ri Cp           111 Na
Isatvastra    0502 B7548AB-5                       111 Na
Shahruz       0504 B222211-8    Lo Ni Po           111 Na
Pezhman       0505 C412552-7    Ic Ni              111 Na
Qura          0506 C453367-8    Lo Ni Po           111 Na
Zaves         0507 C165233-B    Lo Ni              111 Na
Ganrous       0604 B300512-9    Ni Va              111 Na
Dobbi         0608 B989744-6    Ri                 111 Na
Sarfa         0701 C7C5AB8-9    Fl Hi              111 Na
Nadalan       0702 D347779-2    Ag                 111 Na
Lorcan        0703 C378766-6    Ag                 111 Na
Aldan         0704 C668489-7    Ni                 111 Na
Eamon         0705 A57A778-9    Wa                 111 Na
Ateer         0706 D79A841-3    Wa                 111 Na
Quinian       0708 D78A68B-5    Ri Wa              111 Na
Kieran        0709 B572649-5                       111 Na
Curren        0803 D35588A-4                       111 Na
Fintan        0804 E121110-8    Lo Ni Po           111 Na
Ossian        0807 D564122-4    Lo Ni              111 Na

If the spaces are stripped, the file was initially formatted to conform to the "GEnie/Sunbane" format on the page I linked before. The hex number starts on space 15, and the PGB starts on 52. TravellerMap doesn't care about the stellar data, so you can leave it off.

 

[inexorabletash]

Try using this for diagnostics:

http://travellermap.com/tools/lintsec.html

(Integrating that into the maker pages is on the TODO list)

This is what I'm pasting in (note that all the columns line up in the Poster Maker window):

Hex  Name            UWP       Remarks                     
---- --------------- --------- ----------------------
0103 Mirza	     E686530-2 Ag Ni
0104 Bahmanyar	     C964875-3 Ri
0105 Farrokh	     D689759-4 Ri
...

The site is guessing that the data is SEC (not T5 column-based or T5 tab delimited) since it doesn't have {Ix} (Ex) [Cx] in the headers. And SEC parsing requires PBG and Allegiance so it assumes none of the lines match.

 

[GypsyComet]

I have now gotten this to work:

Hex	Name	UWP	Remarks	B	Z	PBG	W	A	Stars
0103	Mirza	E686530-2	Ag Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0104	Bahmanyar	C964875-3	Ri	N	A	111	2	Na	
0105	Farrokh	D689759-4	Ri	N	A	111	2	Na	
0107	Jasper	B798300-8	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0110	Shaahin	C9968BB-8		N	A	111	2	Na	
0201	Korosh	D11057A-5	Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0202	Parviz	C7A5553-5	Fl Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0207	Shakam	X257200-3	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0208	Tahamtan	D577355-4	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0210	Kuros	D66738B-2	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0304	Hamid	E467204-7	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0306	Anoshiravan	E777111-6	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0401	Hardar	B524599-A	Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0404	Pahlevan	X549122-0	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0407	Esfandiyar	B643456-7	Ni Po	N	A	111	2	Na	
0408	Farnian	D10047A-A	Ni Va	N	A	111	2	Na	
0410	Sahand	A767658-B	Ag Ri Cp	N	A	111	2	Na	
0502	Isatvastra	B7548AB-5		N	A	111	2	Na	
0504	Shahruz	B222211-8	Lo Ni Po	N	A	111	2	Na	
0505	Pezhman	C412552-7	Ic Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0506	Qura	C453367-8	Lo Ni Po	N	A	111	2	Na	
0507	Zaves	C165233-B	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0604	Ganrous	B300512-9	Ni Va	N	A	111	2	Na	
0608	Dobbi	B989744-6	Ri	N	A	111	2	Na	
0701	Sarfa	C7C5AB8-9	Fl Hi	N	A	111	2	Na	
0702	Nadalan	D347779-2	Ag	N	A	111	2	Na	
0703	Lorcan	C378766-6	Ag	N	A	111	2	Na	
0704	Aldan	C668489-7	Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
0705	Eamon	A57A778-9	Wa	N	A	111	2	Na	
0706	Ateer	D79A841-3	Wa	N	A	111	2	Na	
0708	Quinian	D78A68B-5	Ri Wa	N	A	111	2	Na	
0709	Kieran	B572649-5		N	A	111	2	Na	
0803	Curren	D35588A-4		N	A	111	2	Na	
0804	Fintan	E121110-8	Lo Ni Po	N	A	111	2	Na	
0807	Ossian	D564122-4	Lo Ni	N	A	111	2	Na	
-

(remove the dash at the end. It is there to force the forum code to keep the terminal tab on the previous line, but will give an error in Traveller Map)

I put in Navy Bases and Amber Zones as place holders, along with the PBG, World Count, and Allegiance. As long as the tab remains in place, bases and zones can be left blank.
It does not like using "G" as a place-holder in Zones, and seems to require the Stars field, even if left empty. That empty field still needs to have a tab out to it, though.

 

[creativehum]

Thanks for ALL he help!

And GypsyComet, that did the trick. Thanks so much!

Next question: Can anyone tell me how I format the routes in the metadata?

 

[GypsyComet]

Can anyone tell me how I format the routes in the metadata?

That is definitely best served by looking at the example sectors. The routes are one of the simplest parts of the metadata file that need crafting (borders take more effort to wrap your head around).

If you don't need your routes to leave the area being mapped, and don't need different polities to have different color routes, the line is
<Route Start="0110" End="0207" />
using the two hex numbers.

 

[inexorabletash]

You can also use the point-and-click route maker:

http://travellermap.com/make/routes

It's certainly not a full whiz-bang interactive experience, but you get what you pay for.

The metadata format is documented at:

http://travellermap.com/doc/metadata

(Linked off the various makers)

 

[creativehum]

I have now used the point and click route maker. (It's awesome.)

I'm now trying to give two different colors to two different political entities in the subsector, so I'm messing around with the metadata.

I have House Weylin and House Raptes.

Weylin will have the default Green routes. I want the Raptes to have a different color route. I swear, I figured it out last night with one of the routes between systems. Opened it this morning to set the allegiances on all of the Raptes routes... and I keep getting errors.

Can anyone help here? I assume I am able to add my own allegiances? But maybe not?

The routes work great as long as I'm not adding the allegiances.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<Sector>
<Allegiances>
<Allegiance Code=“WeHo”>House Weylin</Allegiance>
<Allegiance Code=“RaHo”>House Raptes</Allegiance>
</Allegiances>

<Stylesheet>
border.RaHo { color: lightblue; }
route.RaHo { color: lightblue; }
</Stylesheet>

<Routes>
<Route Start="0410" End="0408" Allegiance=“RaHo” />
<Route Start="0407" End="0408" Allegiance=“RaHo” />
<Route Start="0407" End="0507" Allegiance=“RaHo” />
<Route Start="0507" End="0608" Allegiance=“RaHo” />
<Route Start="0608" End="0708" Allegiance=“RaHo” />
<Route Start="0709" End="0608" Allegiance=“RaHo” />
<Route Start="0704" End="0703"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0705"/>
<Route Start="0706" End="0705"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0804"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0804"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0604"/>
<Route Start="0604" End="0505"/>
<Route Start="0604" End="0506"/>
<Route Start="0604" End="0504"/>
</Routes>
</Sector>

 

[inexorabletash]

Four-character allegiances are reserved for official T5SS data (to catch mistakes). Just use 2 or 3 character codes and you should be fine.

I'm really sorry this is so mysterious. I'll try and expose better error reporting, and maybe lift that restriction for unofficial data.

 

[pendragonman]

Four-character allegiances are reserved for official T5SS data (to catch mistakes). Just use 2 or 3 character codes and you should be fine.

I'm really sorry this is so mysterious. I'll try and expose better error reporting, and maybe lift that restriction for unofficial data.

Is there a document somewhere that explains how to do these original works?

 

[creativehum]

Four-character allegiances are reserved for official T5SS data (to catch mistakes). Just use 2 or 3 character codes and you should be fine.

I'm really sorry this is so mysterious. I'll try and expose better error reporting, and maybe lift that restriction for unofficial data.

You know what? I think that's how I got it to work last night. I actually figured that out on my own, because there are only two slots (spaces) for Allegiance. So I shortened everything to two characters last night.

I woke up this morning, and bam... forgot that.

And listen, it isn't mysterious. It was built to do what you wanted it to do, and how you thought about the problems to solve and your approaches to them.

It's frankly AMAZING. And while it's taken me a while to wrap my head around it, now that I'm understanding it, it is really powerful and I'll be able to do lots of things to make pretty pictures for my friends. Which is the point of his part of the exercise!

Thanks so much for all the help!

 

[creativehum]

Hmmm...

I've cut the Allegiance Codes down to two letters (and made some changes to names after thinking about the politics.)

I'm getting this error: "There is an error in XML document (4, 22)."

Which I'm thinking is still an error in the allegiance codes.

Here's what I'm inserting:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<Sector>
<Allegiances>
<Allegiance Code=“Dc”>The Daanae Coreward Trading Company</Allegiance>
<Allegiance Code=“Bc”>The Bodai Cluster Trading Company </Allegiance>
<Allegiance Code=“Mp”>The Mother Protectorate </Allegiance>
</Allegiances>

<Stylesheet>
border.Bc { color: lightblue; }
route.Bc { color: lightblue; }

border.Mp { color: pink; }
route.Mp { color: pink; }
</Stylesheet>

<Routes>
<Route Start="0410" End="0408" Allegiance=“Bc” />
<Route Start="0407" End="0408" Allegiance=“Bc” />
<Route Start="0407" End="0507" Allegiance=“Bc” />
<Route Start="0507" End="0608" Allegiance=“Bc” />
<Route Start="0608" End="0708" Allegiance=“Bc” />
<Route Start="0709" End="0608" Allegiance=“Bc” />
<Route Start="0704" End="0703"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0705"/>
<Route Start="0706" End="0705"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0804"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0804"/>
<Route Start="0704" End="0604"/>
<Route Start="0604" End="0505"/>
<Route Start="0604" End="0506"/>
<Route Start="0604" End="0504"/>
<Route Start="0604” End="0502” Allegiance=“Mp” />
<Route Start="0502” End="0401” Allegiance=“Mp” />
<Route Start="0401” End="0202” Allegiance=“Mp” />

</Routes>
</Sector>

(I don't even know if "pink" is a viable option, but I haven't gotten far enough down to find out! Is there a list of allowed colors?)

 

[inexorabletash]

There is an error in XML document (4, 22).

That's line 4, in the element nearish character 22:

<Allegiance Code=“Dc”>The Daanae Coreward Trading Company</Allegiance>
123456789012345678901^

It's the "smart quotes" - “ ”

You need to use boring old quotes: " "

 

[creativehum]

That's line 4, in the element nearish character 22:

<Allegiance Code=“Dc”>The Daanae Coreward Trading Company</Allegiance>
123456789012345678901^

It's the "smart quotes" - “ ”

You need to use boring old quotes: " "

Ha-ha!
Okay. I think we have this now.