What is happening with TNE?
- Thread starter Sven2300
- Start date
Liam Devlin
SOC-14 5K
I think a wee bit of mystery would do us good after guessing MJD into what he's announced already...
Tim Soholt
SOC-8
IMHO, it would take a heck of a major threat to get the Zhodani fighting alongside Imperials in the vicinity of Corridor, much less further trailing. Unless the K'kree have massively expanded, I just don't see them as a credible threat to the Consulate until everything In Front of the Claw collapses, at which point it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than a couple decades for the Imperials to recover.
A psionic (at least partially) wavefront moving through charted space from somewhere to coreward. It should hit the coreward edge of the Regency sometime around 1210, I believe. It apparently sparked a low-level insurgency in the Consulate starting around 1119. GT seems to be implying it was something stirred up by the Zhodani Core Expeditions.
E
EvilDrGanymede
Guest
Where does our current knowledge (as players) of the Empress Wave come from anyway? Was this mentioned in a TNE book?
It has been mentioned in several TNE books. The Regency Sourcebook goes into detail of the effects it was causing to Zhodani society and psionic gifted people. There were mentions of something approaching from the Core in earlier books like Survival Margin. In fact the Longbow project was used to keep track it's progress.
Liam Devlin
SOC-14 5K
IMHO, it would take a heck of a major threat to get the Zhodani fighting alongside Imperials in the vicinity of Corridor, much less further trailing. Unless the K'kree have massively expanded, I just don't see them as a credible threat to the Consulate until everything In Front of the Claw collapses, at which point it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than a couple decades for the Imperials to recover.
________________________________________________
Tim, please recall that the Zhodani refugees have been flooding into the Regency fer quite a while after the 1119 impact...through the Quarantine period.. so many have been born inside Regency/SM/Deneb space since then. Its one of those glossed over social issues of integrating them into society.. The SM folk, have gotten to "know" their former 'enemies' better.
Some Regency folk have taken advantage of them...others look upon them with pity, and as the downtrodden, have tried to help them.
So it is entirely plausible by MJD's time frame they will be among those facing this new threat out of trailing in Gateway/Ley.
To leave them as "permananet refugee nomads" isn't much of a plot...and nothing stays stagnant that long with those kind of internal pressures building...Stay tuned.
daryen
SOC-14 1K
IMHO, it would take a heck of a major threat to get the Zhodani fighting alongside Imperials in the vicinity of Corridor, much less further trailing. Unless the K'kree have massively expanded, I just don't see them as a credible threat to the Consulate until everything In Front of the Claw collapses, at which point it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than a couple decades for the Imperials to recover.</font>[/QUOTE]The K'kree don't have to expand all that much to be a huge threat. From the Zhodani (or Regency, for that matter) perspective, you have to know that if everyone between you and them is defeated (which, by the way, means they are all dead), there is no way you are going to win your battle. If you believe the threat is that severe, then the only option is to help in the beginning of the war, even though it is a long way away.
Besides which, we don't even know what "Zhodani" means by this time. The Consulate has been disintegrating since the early 1100's. By the time of TNE the disintegration is mostly complete. By the time of the Dominion War, who knows what is left of the Consolate, and what condition the Zhodani peoples are in.
(Well, MJD knows, but no one else.
)Liam Devlin
SOC-14 5K
Good idea daryen!...but much has to be done first before we cross that bridge, it seems to me (like getting the rest fo this years projected TA's out th door onto th market...into our hands (yesssss my preciousssss!)Mercs, machines, and weapons Oh my!
(okay-I'll cut back on the coffee fer a bit now.)
(okay-I'll cut back on the coffee fer a bit now.)
Good point on the Zhodani. As of 1200 the ZC is pretty much kaput. Some worlds might have survived, but interstellar commerce has virtually disappear.Originally posted by daryen:
Besides which, we don't even know what "Zhodani" means by this time. The Consulate has been disintegrating since the early 1100's. By the time of TNE the disintegration is mostly complete. By the time of the Dominion War, who knows what is left of the Consolate, and what condition the Zhodani peoples are in.
(Well, MJD knows, but no one else.
Now alot can change in 40 years. After the EW passes, depending on the damage the Zhodani refugee "leadership" could begin a reconstruction effort to rebuild the Consulate and recontact Zhdant. Zhodani reconstruction was one of the outlets I proposed the Regency can use to focus thier economy.
A New ZC would not like it if all thier hard work is suddenly threatened by a bunch of trumped up cattle* or other genocidal threats. So they would naturely help the Regency successor states, both gratitude and protecting a buffer with the emerging 4I.
*Yes I'm a specist when it comes to K'Kree
In regards to the Empress Wave, as I understand it, the wave front is moving at the speed of light. That means, in order to reach the coreward portions of the Regency, the Empress Wave would be part of the way (at least one subsector's depth) through Gvurrdon sector during the CT/MT era, yet no one mentioned it in V&V or AM4. That's the part of the Empress Wave that doesn't make sense to me. I hope that whatever MJD comes up with will explain this disturbing lack of reference to the presence of the EW in a published sector like Gvurrdon.
Thanks,
Flynn
Thanks,
Flynn
E
EvilDrGanymede
Guest
Surely that's more down to Traveller authors not writing about it for various (probably legal?) reasons than any actual canon problem isn't it? Nothing to say it wasn't there, but just didn't get mentioned (i.e. if it DID get mentioned, you have a canon problem. If it didn't get mentioned, you have the freedom to retrofit whatever the hell you like
).Well, since CT predates TNE, I'd say CT writers didn't write about the Wave because they didn't know about it. The major problem here is that if the Wave is reaching the Marches in 1200, in 1110 it's only a couple parsecs from Zhdant, and you'd think this would have _some_ effect on the fifth frontier war.Originally posted by Evil Dr Ganymede:
Surely that's more down to Traveller authors not writing about it for various (probably legal?) reasons than any actual canon problem isn't it? Nothing to say it wasn't there, but just didn't get mentioned (i.e. if it DID get mentioned, you have a canon problem. If it didn't get mentioned, you have the freedom to retrofit whatever the hell you like
Another issue with the wave is, as a lightspeed phenomenon, coming from the direction of the Core, it's been washing over the Core Route for something like 5,000 years. I don't think the Zhodani are going to be surprised by it, and if it's really such a huge problem, they seem to have the planning ability to figure out a solution in the intervening millennia.
Agreed. Empress Wave is a great concept, but as presented, it's kinda broken in execution. Unless it has a starting point closer to Charted Space and the Regency than was implied, and unless it started at some point after CT era (which would explain why it didn't impact events during the CT and early MT eras), any explanation of the Empress Wave will sound implausible at best.
Still, it is interesting to think of a threat much closer to Charted Space, perhaps in the Vargr Extents (but after the time period depicted in DGP's Vilani & Vargr supplement), where the wave is propagating out and hitting Regency and Zhodani space at the same time, forcing the reactions we've seen to date. Such a threat would be more immediate, and draw a lot of attention as the Wave promulgated out through Gvurrdon and into the Spinward Marches in the pre-4I decades...
Looking forward to the explanation and its impact,
Flynn
Still, it is interesting to think of a threat much closer to Charted Space, perhaps in the Vargr Extents (but after the time period depicted in DGP's Vilani & Vargr supplement), where the wave is propagating out and hitting Regency and Zhodani space at the same time, forcing the reactions we've seen to date. Such a threat would be more immediate, and draw a lot of attention as the Wave promulgated out through Gvurrdon and into the Spinward Marches in the pre-4I decades...
Looking forward to the explanation and its impact,
Flynn
Yeah, if the Wave is lightspeed, a problem for the Domain of Deneb, and coming from the direction of the Core for them, and started in, say, 1100, it would have started somewhere in Gvurrdon or Tuglikki. Of course, if that were the case it would have barely reached Usingou, and won't be a problem for the main body of the consulate for another hundred years, so that doesn't quite work out.
If you have the initial event occur around 750, some 3-4 sectors coreward of the Spinward Marches/Deneb border, in 1100 it would be moving through the Vargr extents (which might not be very noticeable) and would just barely have reached Tienspevnekr, which the Zhodani would notice but wouldn't yet be severely impacting their culture. By 1200 it would be hitting subsector D of Zhdant and would be a good way through Tienspevnekr, which would certainly be causing a bit of disruption in Zhodani society, though mostly political (what do we do about it?) rather than direct effects of the Wave.
, the Zho would know something was wrong in the 1100s but not much about it, and by 1200 it would be moving into the Zhdant