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[Freelance Traveller] Is this possible with grav tech?

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For discussion purposes, assume that technology is at the Classic Golden Age levels - c. 1100 Imperial.

Is it possible to put a grav system in something about the size of a soccer ball? The idea here is that it only needs to be powerful enough to randomly change the direction or arc of the ball's flight within 30 degrees of the ball's current trajectory. It does not need to be able to achieve any significant altitude; just needs to make the ball's flight unpredictable.

If it can be done at all, at what TL and cost?
 
If it can be done at all, at what TL and cost?

Thinking a bit on the idea - does the weight of the grav module, power, etc need to be zero (ie: the grav module nullifies it's own weight) and hence is 'on' all the time? Or doesn't it matter if the ball is a few kilos heavier than normal?

And secondly - how long does it need to screw with gravity? ONce off? For the entire 'match', just one half of the game? (it affects power supply duration and hence size).

On Edit: Doing the summs and using Book 8: Robots

A soccer ball has a diameter of roughly 22cm
So volume is 5572.45 cubic centimeters
Or ~ 5.5 liters

A light grav module has a vol-3, weight-2, 100kg thrust, power req-1
A TL-15 battery can hold 7 power/hour per litre- do lets say 1 hour of power = .14L

The basic control would be pretty small using a Low Data brain (probably overkill, but I assume the grav module needs active control) and it comes to about .8 litres if a gravitics package is included for module control.

So for a total of around 4 litres. Add some extra for padding and you are set.
If the grav module could have it's thrust reduced (100kg is overkill) with a proportionate reduction in size you could fit it easily.

Your ball would weight about 4 kg extra, and have 100KG thrust available for an hour with computer control.
Price is 30,000 for the module, ~1400 for the battery, ~1800 for the controller
 
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From MT, at TL 12 the smallest grav unit possible is an LPLG unit and the smallest possible volume is .003 kl. A unit of this size would provide .1 mT of thrust, weigh .002 mT (when the power was off), cost 30,000 Cr, and need .001 MW of power.

A TL12 battery providing .001 MW for 1 hour would have a volume of .001 kl and cost an additional 8.5 Cr (lets call that free after dropping 30 KCr for the grav unit.

But that data is from the vehicle design tables. The thrust provided is much more than you need. I'd think that a small unit like you describe would be possible at TLs above 12, but the cost may well be prohibitive.
 
Damn. That's way too expensive to be viable.

Was hoping I could find it at a price that would be viable to use as a gift in a liner's gift shop or a sporting goods shop. I visualize the origin of it as a recreational object as having been repurposed from an occupational-therapy tool, designed to exercise whole-body coordination, or a diagnostic aid, for identifying possible problems with same.

Is there any sensible way to get the same EFFECT - a ball that changes course randomly - for a couple of dozen credits?
 
Is there any sensible way to get the same EFFECT - a ball that changes course randomly - for a couple of dozen credits?

Hmm, the way they control swerve with bowling balls is by weighting them off centre. Idle ideas (dont know of functional reality)...

* Have a ball with two layers the outer shell, an inner shell resulting in a thin gap. Fill the gap with a viscous fluid which is temperature sensetive...getting less viscous with heat, and more viscous as it cools off. Stick a weight in the gap. As the ball is kicked around the air temperature inside increases, reducing the viscosity and the weight becomes free to move around in the liquid causing the ball to wobble around, as the ball cools off the weight stops moving. Though the weight will always give the ball a off swerve which can't be switched off.

* Have a ball, but in the centre is suspended a weight suspended in the centre by myomer fibres or muscle wire. When a current is applied the myomers contract and shifts the weight "off centre" causing the ball to swerve in the direction the weight moves. When the myomer relaxes (the current is turned off) the weight is pulled back to centre. Again control is by a small battery and controller and this ball will be balanced until the circuit is activated. The TL is fairly low (we have primative muscle wire today, dont know about price)

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Use muscle wire again, but lace the entire soft outer shell with it. When current is applied the ball every so slightly deforms in shape causing it to wobble around. This would also function in the air as the aerodynamics change. Once again a small pre-programmed controller organises the contraction to a specific shape.

This is muscle wire it's relatively cheap even today just not overly strong. Higher techs may increase its power
 
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The battery is only 8.5 Cr, and will cost less in quantity.

A small radio reciever switch is likely to be only a few credits, and if you put the radio on a card to plug into your Hand comp along with some software to make the thing work while also measuring your hart rate, matabolisum and rate of work it could adjust the movement of the ball based on the ammount of effort you were putting in.

Exstrapolate the cost of production over a few million units (not too far a strach in the OTU) and you might get it down to say 40 to 30 Cr (maybe less).

Regards,

Ewan
 
Hmm, the way they control swerve with bowling balls is by weighting them off centre. Idle ideas (dont know of functional reality)...
This is Traveller, not reality. If it sounds plausible, the referee can fiat that it works.

These were some good ideas; it never occurred to me to look at non-grav-based models for doing this.


* Have a ball with two layers the outer shell, an inner shell resulting in a thin gap. Fill the gap with a viscous fluid which is temperature sensetive...getting less viscous with heat, and more viscous as it cools off. Stick a weight in the gap. As the ball is kicked around the air temperature inside increases, reducing the viscosity and the weight becomes free to move around in the liquid causing the ball to wobble around, as the ball cools off the weight stops moving. Though the weight will always give the ball a off swerve which can't be switched off.
I like the variable viscosity idea, but I'm not sure I'd ever let it lower to zero, or rise to infinity - in other words, while the 'wobblibility' would be variable, it would never be zero, and at the low end, it wouldn't allow TOO sharp a change. My major concern is that the gap fluid might actually be too much of a handwavium compound.


* Have a ball, but in the centre is suspended a weight suspended in the centre by myomer fibres or muscle wire. When a current is applied the myomers contract and shifts the weight "off centre" causing the ball to swerve in the direction the weight moves. When the myomer relaxes (the current is turned off) the weight is pulled back to centre. Again control is by a small battery and controller and this ball will be balanced until the circuit is activated. The TL is fairly low (we have primative muscle wire today, dont know about price)

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Use muscle wire again, but lace the entire soft outer shell with it. When current is applied the ball every so slightly deforms in shape causing it to wobble around. This would also function in the air as the aerodynamics change. Once again a small pre-programmed controller organises the contraction to a specific shape.

This is muscle wire it's relatively cheap even today just not overly strong. Higher techs may increase its power
I think I like this idea the best - or rather, a variant of it. Please e-mail me off-board (editor@freelancetraveller.com) with your real name; when I work the idea up fully for the next issue of Freelance Traveller, it will be by me 'based on an idea by <you>'.
 
This actually sounds like the diagnostic/therapy version of the device; the recreational version of it would omit the radio link and simplify or omit the software, so I could see the recreational version getting down to Cr15 or Cr20 (because far more recreational versions would be sold than medical versions).
 
You could have several different models..

The 30KCr grav model for pro-sports teams and high tech hospitals.
A somewhat cheaper model (a few hundred to few thousand creds) for poorer teams, sports nuts, and backwater hospitals.
A 'Made in Taiwan' model for selling to sports fans at events and kids.

It would be fairly easy to have an advertising campaign selling the 'Taiwan models' by linking them to sport - "Have your very own Imperial All stars ball! As used in training for the grand playoffs! Amaze your friends! Only 60 Credits! Demand your parents buy you one now!").

And the advertising dollars could subsidise the cost somewhat, selling more units cheaper.

Damn - now I have caught the gearhead bug again. Must..design...something...
 
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OK... strip out all the cameras, sensors, commo gear, etc and this gets small as a soccer ball:

JTAS #24 page 13-15 said:
Remote Piloted Reconnaissance Unit. This device is also known as the Spy-Eye. It is a sphere, about 50 cm (20") in diameter, whose surface is studded with lenses, microphones, and other detection devices.

>lots of more details I didn't type out"<

powered by a grav unit.
max speed 200 km/h, 60km/h NOE.
max flying time 5 hours.
max range for UHF radio commo 30 km.
maser commo for line-of-sight
TL 12+
25 kg
75kcr

etc.
 
It's possible. I designed my own 'Eye-Spy' (independently of JTAS, based on Jabba the Hutt's device) using Striker, which allows 1kg grav modules developed for drone missiles.

This device of yours sounds like the 'mercuryball' from a classic sci fi novel series. It was mentioned here only a few weeks ago - Tom xxxx, Space Cadet (can't just recall the character's name.) I read it when I was a kid and made my own mercuryball by stuffing a discarded leather football case with a stone wrapped in foam rubber. It didn't work as well as I'd hoped. :(

Non-newtonian fluids are perhaps not too handwavium - you could make one that is inertia-triggered rather than heat-triggered with nothing more complex than good old cornflour.

Edit: Tom Corbett - thanks Google.
Edit 2: It's been republished 2009 and there's a fan website! Who'd a thought it? :)
 
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It's funny that you mention having seen something similar in a novel, because that's where I got the idea from - not the novel that you mentioned, though, but one just published by Baen, in 2009. The novel is called 'Fledgling', and is set in the Liaden universe of Steve Miller and Sharon Lee. You can get all of the Liaden novels from Baen, in electronic format (no DRM) for $6 each OR LESS - most of them were included in bundles that brought the cost down to about $4 each. The only ones that you'd really have to purchase separately are "The Tomorrow Log", "Dragon Tide", and "Fledgling", and the forthcoming "Saltation". There is that which is Not Traveller in the novels - and yet, they feel as much like Traveller as Moon's "Vatta's War" or Drake's "The Republic of Cinnabar Navy" series do, and I could easily see myself begging Mongoose to negotiate with Baen to get the rights to Travellerize both Liaden and RCN. Or myself begging permission and information from Steve and Sharon to turn the Liadens into a Contact!/Club Room article or twelve.

At any rate, there are a couple of scenes in Fledgling where the focus character gets involved in playing a game called 'bowli ball', which has a ball that reacts sort of as I described; the actual mechanism was not really described; it reads as a handwave (so I assume that the ball has an alloy of unobtanium and handwavium in it, to allow the mass to be manipulated). I thought the idea of the game was one that would be worth Travellerizing for Freelance Traveller, along with another recreational feature described in the novel, so I posted the question.

(N.B. from now on, and when/if it appears in Freelance Traveller, I'll be calling it a "varia-ball". I'll happily acknowledge Mr Miller and Ms Lee as the source of the inspiration, but no way in hell am I going to use the name that they created for their novel, not without their permission...)

The biggest problems with the non-grav versions of the varia-ball is that the effective mass doesn't change, and neither do the external forces on the ball, so the trajectory is still going to be fundamentally ballistic and predictable, which detracts from the game. Ideally, I'd want something about the size of a soccer ball or basketball, or maybe down to half that volume would work, that is generally as featureless as a spaldeen, but can be made to behave like a wiffle.
 
Does the ball need to be featureless? If it was shaped like a spherical paper christmas decoration, with an array of flutes and airfoils that can move randomly and independently, the aerodynamics could be electrically altered in-flight.

Just thinking aloud here. Never heard of a wiffle. :)
 
Does the ball need to be featureless? If it was shaped like a spherical paper christmas decoration, with an array of flutes and airfoils that can move randomly and independently, the aerodynamics could be electrically altered in-flight.

Just thinking aloud here. Never heard of a wiffle. :)
Never heard of a... :oo: :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiffle_Ball

I've seen a wiffle get hit down the first-base line - and get caught by the shortstop. Who wasn't out of position. And that's just because of the way the ball is cut, so that it's entirely aerodynamics. BUT... if you can see the way the ball is oriented, you can predict the flight. I don't want the predictability in the varia-ball.

The problem with external protuberances is that a game of varia-ball can get... rough. The idea is that the ball should be able to take some major handling without either being damaged itself, or injuring the players.
 
Ok, Jeff... make the ball big, say 40cm, and put a grav tac-missile thruster set inside, suspended by elastics and aimed at the four courners. The ball takes the majority of the stresses. the lifter fires randomly, and has a remote "drop to ground" code, and autodrops if too far from a base unit.
 

Sorry, I'm English. :)


Ok, Jeff... make the ball big, say 40cm, and put a grav tac-missile thruster set inside, suspended by elastics and aimed at the four courners. The ball takes the majority of the stresses. the lifter fires randomly, and has a remote "drop to ground" code, and autodrops if too far from a base unit.

There's no problem getting it to do things with a programmable grav module inside, I think Jeff was trying to figure out a non-grav version.

Maybe a ball covered in acoustically (and hence airflow) transparent foam with a gimbal-mounted ducted fan inside?
 
There's no problem getting it to do things with a programmable grav module inside, I think Jeff was trying to figure out a non-grav version.
Yes, but that's because grav turned out to be so blasted expensive - I'd like to be able to sell a varia-ball for Cr50 max, and less is better. But as soon as you throw a grav module in there, it's out of reach for common use.

Maybe a ball covered in acoustically (and hence airflow) transparent foam with a gimbal-mounted ducted fan inside?
Has possibilities. Can you spec it out?
 
Put a spherical pressure container inside, with 6 jets located at 90 degree spacings... valves fire at random intervals to deflect the ball.

Package the whole thing inside a whiffle-ball to make the randomness even worse!

This should easily meet your price point!
 
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