OTU Only: Fleet Organization
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It has to do with "SPACE" and "ENTER" characters between the bracketts of the codes (which are easy to overlook). They get interpreted as characters outside the table and get "bumped up" in front of the table. I have found it helpful to type out the code and text for the table as a single line in a text file and then copy and paste it back.
Basically, you want to remove any extraneous [/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]"SPACE" and "ENTER" characters between or after bracketts (and especially at the end of a line of text). [/FONT]
here I was, banging away on getting that darn table done, and I missed that you guys had replied! WHOOPS! Sorry about that! 
The number could work, but we'd need to know how many of the darn things there were, and after B1 through B9, we'd have confusion as to what we meant; so, two letter. B has to be in there as the primary, and see below
Does any other power HAVE Dreadnoughts? Would nicking the secondary 'I' from 'I.J', to use as 'Imperial', cause confusion with Intruders?
I'd rather stick to two letters than three or more, for uniformity with the rules, tbh. And see below
I was thinking that. THIRTY squadrons?! blimey. But. By definition, they're mahoosive things, so they'd have to be assumed to carry subordinate ships for defensive purposes, such as fighter screens and such like. So, the CV suffix would be a bit redundant, imho. And see below
I'm not so sure BL would be right; a smart commander would keep a dreadnought back in the centre of his fleet for force protection, it being the logical target for an enemy attacker to destroy, in order to remove the overall command of the fleet; I'd like to go with BH, it keeps in the spirit of the B5(HG)80 rules, but it doesn't seem quite enough, somehow; remember, we're talking a MASSIVE investment in funds, materials, and so on, to make (manufacture?) one of these things for the Imperium, so calling it a mere battleship is a little, well, underwhelming.
This said: When Britain had a nice massive fleet before the Great War, we had Dreadnoughts, and they were treated like mahoosive battleships.
So, pending any arguments to the contrary, I suppose it should be BH?
Any dissenters, please?
So I was thinking about this. I agree D seems linked to Destroyer. But thinking about Dreadnoughts were originally just the top of the Battleship food chain. What if you used something like the Battleship BB? Maybe BB-D or BD or maybe give them a single letter and a number B02 is the Dreadnought "ISS Daniel" a Tigress Class Dreadnought...
Well just some brain storming to help your effort.
The number could work, but we'd need to know how many of the darn things there were, and after B1 through B9, we'd have confusion as to what we meant; so, two letter. B has to be in there as the primary, and see below
Does any other power HAVE Dreadnoughts? Would nicking the secondary 'I' from 'I.J', to use as 'Imperial', cause confusion with Intruders?
I'd rather stick to two letters than three or more, for uniformity with the rules, tbh. And see below
I was thinking that. THIRTY squadrons?! blimey. But. By definition, they're mahoosive things, so they'd have to be assumed to carry subordinate ships for defensive purposes, such as fighter screens and such like. So, the CV suffix would be a bit redundant, imho. And see below
I say go with whulorigan's idea of BH or BI. They both could work.
I'm not so sure BL would be right; a smart commander would keep a dreadnought back in the centre of his fleet for force protection, it being the logical target for an enemy attacker to destroy, in order to remove the overall command of the fleet; I'd like to go with BH, it keeps in the spirit of the B5(HG)80 rules, but it doesn't seem quite enough, somehow; remember, we're talking a MASSIVE investment in funds, materials, and so on, to make (manufacture?) one of these things for the Imperium, so calling it a mere battleship is a little, well, underwhelming.
This said: When Britain had a nice massive fleet before the Great War, we had Dreadnoughts, and they were treated like mahoosive battleships.
So, pending any arguments to the contrary, I suppose it should be BH?
Any dissenters, please?
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)Then there has to be consideration given to Book 5, HG, 1980 ed, pp 26, for Primary and Secondary identifiers. Dreadnought doesn't fit in that listing either, which is interesting. That said, you could make the case for ZH (unassigned, Heavy), but that clashes with the national identifier for the Zhodani Consulate! :rofl:
Gonna be interesting, solving this one!
Ideas welcome, naturally
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Ship_type_codes - In the wiki we rebuilt the ship types codes to capture more types of ships.
http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Battleship - So we derived the Dreadnaught as "BA"
Yeah, for IMTU I ended up doing my own listing of codes, mainly derived from real world sources. I wanted something inclusive of governmental and private ships.
D.
casquilho
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Hum, odd that they do not list the Tigress Class Dreadnought in that list of "BA" ships.
I also note that "Fast" was left off the Wiki list. Well, there're holes in the secondary designators lists that I can stick in the missing bits. Just have to include a glossary with the charts I make, is all 
Example: Using the Wiki list, a fast missile frigate might be FMF (Frigate, Missile, Fast) (Nearest real-world example could be a type 23 (Duke Class) or Oliver Hazard Perry, both of which are FFGs, or Frigate, Guided missile).
Time to fire up Campaign Cartographer, then...
Example: Using the Wiki list, a fast missile frigate might be FMF (Frigate, Missile, Fast) (Nearest real-world example could be a type 23 (Duke Class) or Oliver Hazard Perry, both of which are FFGs, or Frigate, Guided missile).
Time to fire up Campaign Cartographer, then...
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casquilho
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Don't forget to post the final product.Time to fire up Campaign Cartographer, then...
Xerxeskingofking
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mike wightman
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Historically the term dreadnaught described a new class of battleship. The next generation of battleships were always referred to as battleships.
It is a sci-fi trope that dreadnaught class battleships are your top of the line, latest super weapon.
There is a game - possibly one of the Traveller boardgames - where the dreadnaught is the class below battleship.
In S:9 all of the so called dreadnaughts (Tigress etc) have the code BB.
It is a sci-fi trope that dreadnaught class battleships are your top of the line, latest super weapon.
There is a game - possibly one of the Traveller boardgames - where the dreadnaught is the class below battleship.
In S:9 all of the so called dreadnaughts (Tigress etc) have the code BB.
Hmm. Interesting point. Wonder if the Death Star could have been described as a Dreadnought? Also, there's one for genre crossover engineers to work out the stats for and work up a few thousand deckplans (grinning ducking and running really really really REALLY quickly!) :rofl:
(grinning ducking and running really really really REALLY quickly!) :rofl:Anyhow, time for a few specifics...
As mentioned above, per a comment earlier regarding redeployments during and immediately after the FFW, I tend to agree at least in part, thus I think the 130th won't have any BAs. It WILL have a lot of other ships, but some major elements of the B- and maybe (undecided on this atm) C- classes will be lighter than they would otherwise be.
Additionally, I bit the bullet and bought a copy of MgT "Sector Fleet" as an e-book following the recommendations earlier; it was good advice (pp38-46 refer). Thus far, I'm looking at this, and I'm pretty sure I'm well heavy on the DesRons...
Here's my tentative thinking thus far...
130th Imperial (Subsector) Fleet
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Nominal Type:.........Battle Fleet
Nominal Peacetime Strength:
BatRons:..............................3
CruRons:..............................9
DesRons:............................18
AssaultRons:.........................1
TransRon:.............................3
TankRon:..............................6
ScoutRon:.............................2
The thinking is: 3 BatRons, one of which is the command BatRon for the Fleet Admiral; the rest of the fleet will then be mix'n'matched into flotillas to spread the firepower and capabilities about to even things out across the subsector, with the fleet's primary mission being subsector security & Reft border patrol, so long legs on patrol ships would be the key, and in a region where there's little threat, a few DesRons could do the whole border patrol routine, freeing up the rest of the fleet to perform their show-the-flag Imperial Security patrol thing.
In relation to the above, I've identified a few things that would be done with the border patrols, classes would be DSs & DPs, with a sprinkling of CSs for added gravitas here and there (and to act as flotilla command ships), and that's about as far as I've reached thus far; tentative specifics for core shipping are as follows:
BatRons
2 x BB, 2 x BT
659th BatRon (Kokirrak Class Dreadnought) - DETACHED FOR DURATION
433rd Batron (Grendal Class Battleships)
758th BatRon (Olympica Class Battle Tender c/w 4 x Cleon Class Battle Riders & 7 x Staban Class Light Battle Riders)
821st Batron (Olympica Class Battle Tender c/w 4 x Cleon Class Battle Riders & 7 x Staban Class Light Battle Riders)
CruRons
1 x CLC (Blue Ridge Class Command Cruiser)
2 x CB (Majestic Class Battle Cruiser)
6 x CS (Fulda Class Scout Cruiser)
DesRons
6 x DD
12 x DP
AssaultRon
1 x (based around the Maxwell Class Troop Transport)
TransRon
Not yet assessed
TankRon
Not yet assessed
ScoutRon
Not yet assessed
Thoughts & suggestions?
As mentioned above, per a comment earlier regarding redeployments during and immediately after the FFW, I tend to agree at least in part, thus I think the 130th won't have any BAs. It WILL have a lot of other ships, but some major elements of the B- and maybe (undecided on this atm) C- classes will be lighter than they would otherwise be.
Additionally, I bit the bullet and bought a copy of MgT "Sector Fleet" as an e-book following the recommendations earlier; it was good advice (pp38-46 refer). Thus far, I'm looking at this, and I'm pretty sure I'm well heavy on the DesRons...
Here's my tentative thinking thus far...
130th Imperial (Subsector) Fleet
====================
Nominal Type:.........Battle Fleet
Nominal Peacetime Strength:
BatRons:..............................3
CruRons:..............................9
DesRons:............................18
AssaultRons:.........................1
TransRon:.............................3
TankRon:..............................6
ScoutRon:.............................2
The thinking is: 3 BatRons, one of which is the command BatRon for the Fleet Admiral; the rest of the fleet will then be mix'n'matched into flotillas to spread the firepower and capabilities about to even things out across the subsector, with the fleet's primary mission being subsector security & Reft border patrol, so long legs on patrol ships would be the key, and in a region where there's little threat, a few DesRons could do the whole border patrol routine, freeing up the rest of the fleet to perform their show-the-flag Imperial Security patrol thing.
In relation to the above, I've identified a few things that would be done with the border patrols, classes would be DSs & DPs, with a sprinkling of CSs for added gravitas here and there (and to act as flotilla command ships), and that's about as far as I've reached thus far; tentative specifics for core shipping are as follows:
BatRons
2 x BB, 2 x BT
659th BatRon (Kokirrak Class Dreadnought) - DETACHED FOR DURATION
433rd Batron (Grendal Class Battleships)
758th BatRon (Olympica Class Battle Tender c/w 4 x Cleon Class Battle Riders & 7 x Staban Class Light Battle Riders)
821st Batron (Olympica Class Battle Tender c/w 4 x Cleon Class Battle Riders & 7 x Staban Class Light Battle Riders)
CruRons
1 x CLC (Blue Ridge Class Command Cruiser)
2 x CB (Majestic Class Battle Cruiser)
6 x CS (Fulda Class Scout Cruiser)
DesRons
6 x DD
12 x DP
AssaultRon
1 x (based around the Maxwell Class Troop Transport)
TransRon
Not yet assessed
TankRon
Not yet assessed
ScoutRon
Not yet assessed
Thoughts & suggestions?
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CliffBates
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Ok... your battle riders look wrong ususally its 6-8 per tender. Also do you have stats for the Tender and the Cleon RB?
Yep, as follows via links into the Wiki...
Olympica Class Battle Tender: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Olympica_Class_Battle_Tender
Cleon Class Battle Rider: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Cleon_Class_Battle_Rider
Staban Class Battle Rider: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Staban_Class_Battle_Rider
This combination was chosen for it's good jump capability (J-4), and its rather high capacity of Riders, naturally
Olympica Class Battle Tender: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Olympica_Class_Battle_Tender
Cleon Class Battle Rider: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Cleon_Class_Battle_Rider
Staban Class Battle Rider: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Staban_Class_Battle_Rider
This combination was chosen for it's good jump capability (J-4), and its rather high capacity of Riders, naturally
Condottiere
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Dreadnought implies a very large battleship which doesn't compromise on performance, armour or armament. Except for speed, in that it's not as fast as a battlecruiser
Super dreadnought is the same, only inflated.
Fast battleship is a super dreadnought with close to battlecruiser speed, which is now superseded.
And the Death Star is a space station.
Super dreadnought is the same, only inflated.
Fast battleship is a super dreadnought with close to battlecruiser speed, which is now superseded.
And the Death Star is a space station.
..ok...
...right...
...alright...
..Ahem. Gotcha
