System Defense Fleets
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Drakon
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New Ziru Sirka, what Vland became after the Imperium collapsed. In the latter half of the 12th century, and early 13th, the NZS and whatever was left of Deneb's coallition.
That one had me scratching my head for a while too. I think it is New Ziru Sirka.
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Baron Ovka
yep.
Thanks. After years in the military and translating Russian scientific documents, I've had enough alphabet soup for at least eight lifetimes. One more acronym is sometimes a load... LOL ;-)
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Oh come on guys. Traveller is full of acronyms.
OK, now I remember where I had seen a table to calculate SDBs: David Jaques-Watson's page on Determining Planetary Forces in the Fifth Frontier War. A close variant also appears in T4 Imperial Squadrons.
David had reversed engineered Fifth Frontier counters to develop a table to calculate SDB factors based on world pop and TL, similar to how troop levels are generated. A pop 7, TL 8 world would have an SDB factor of 1, while a pop A, TL F world would have an SDB factor of 2,000.
Offhand I don't know how an SDB factor breaks down, but Terra in 1002 would have been something like pop A, TL D, which translates to 1,500 SDB factors; based on the Invasion Earth Game Terra has 34 SDB wings, and a wing "represents a fighting formation of about 50 system defense boats."
David had reversed engineered Fifth Frontier counters to develop a table to calculate SDB factors based on world pop and TL, similar to how troop levels are generated. A pop 7, TL 8 world would have an SDB factor of 1, while a pop A, TL F world would have an SDB factor of 2,000.
Offhand I don't know how an SDB factor breaks down, but Terra in 1002 would have been something like pop A, TL D, which translates to 1,500 SDB factors; based on the Invasion Earth Game Terra has 34 SDB wings, and a wing "represents a fighting formation of about 50 system defense boats."
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One would think they would've taken the presence of a naval/military base into account.
GURPS: Starports gives expected numbers of SDBs with naval bases, based on starport type. Class C = 2-4 SDBs, Class B = 10-20 SDBs, Class A = 100-200 SDBs. I would personally add these on top of any indicated by mainworld pop and TL.
mike wightman
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When does an SDB become a monitor? When it is spinal armed or when it is over a certain size with max armour, screens, agility and lots and lots of missile batteries.
Condottiere
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Definitions tend to be loose, but I think the one the game designers had in mind were the Great War vintage ones, with spare capital ship turrets.
Yeah, I think that's as good as we can get. What would be the minimum size for a spinal armed, non-jump capable boat? 5,000 dt?
Xerxeskingofking
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form what I understand, its either "when built using the capital ship rules" (so over 5000 Dtons), or "when armed with a spinal mount".
I've not seen a canon or "official*" monitor design that does not mount a spinal, but that is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. I have also never seen a "destroyer" tonnage SDB/monitor, only sub kiloton PC scale boats and cruiser scale HG ships.
the armour/screens agility stats are most because you have much more mass to play with as you can dig into the former fuel tonnage.
Having recently got the Mgt2 High guard book, I might look into making a few Big boats/small monitors in that system. I think some of the options in that system look like they could make very intresting ships.
*"official" in this case meaning "form a published book", which could include stuff written for non 3i settings.
Condottiere
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The minimum now is twice the size of a given spinal mount.
Between the SDB and monitor could be the gunboat and gunship.
Between the SDB and monitor could be the gunboat and gunship.
That's what I answered to this same question in another thread:
This nomenclature would be consistent wiht Solomani battleship wet navy one, where cruisers were rated acording their main batteries. 6" guns for light cruisers (sometimes even smaller, as the WWII anti-air light cruisers), 8" for heavy cruisers and 11" or more for battlecruisers.
OTOH, there are some canon (or I guess so) Traveller designs that do not follow this cruiser rule, as we can see spinalless cruisers, as the Aslan Weackhto class shown in MT:RS page 89, but, being Aslan it may be they use different nomenclature (or be a translating problem from the Trokh :devil
, or some spinal equiped ship rated as destroyer (as the Manzikert, also MT, appearing among the ships of the Black War in Challenge issue 60, page 32).
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mike wightman
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The term 'cruiser' has been abused for years. In the same way 'destroyer' has changed meaning, and as to frigate...
If I build a 70kt buffered planetoid with duplicate max screens, max armour and agility 6 but instead of wasting space on a useless spinal I have the maximum number of missile bays is it a monitor or a heavy SDB?
If I build a 70kt buffered planetoid with duplicate max screens, max armour and agility 6 but instead of wasting space on a useless spinal I have the maximum number of missile bays is it a monitor or a heavy SDB?
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Amen
BTW The T5 capability to build around Main Mount (turrets?) just created more options not foreseen in classical canon.
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Selandia
Condottiere
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Terms evolve, apparently following technical innovation.
Cruise implies a long distance, fairly comfortable journey. Even if it's only for three hours.
Cruise implies a long distance, fairly comfortable journey. Even if it's only for three hours.
