Type-S schematics

[Blue Ghost]

So, I'd like to build a scale model of a Type-S, but I don't recall there ever being any official blueprints or engineering schematics published anywhere.

Am I wrong on that, or is there some publication that has exterior elevation, forward and stern views along with the obligatory deckplans?

Any response is welcome.

 

[Terquem]

Trouble?

Are you trying to start trouble.

Look, buddy, the Type S is a great ship, good for anything you and your friends have in mind. This beauty has never been outside the quadrant, and was kept in a garage by a little old scout who only took it out on Sundays. Now, you want details on the construction of this beauty, you say? You want to know how the top deck fits in that sloping hull, you say, well, I'm telling you friend, for this price, you shouldn't be asking so many questions.
Am I right?

 

[Blue Ghost]

https://youtu.be/xjxCDEhc0h4

I'll kick the tires later. I was just wondering. I'll wing it....so to speak.

 

[whulorigan]

So, I'd like to build a scale model of a Type-S, but I don't recall there ever being any official blueprints or engineering schematics published anywhere.

Am I wrong on that, or is there some publication that has exterior elevation, forward and stern views along with the obligatory deckplans?

Any response is welcome.

I don't have it in front of me, but I think Traders & Gunboats (CT: Sup 7) has side/back views and a cutaway.

 

[Blue Ghost]

Much obliged. I do seem to recall that as well. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[whartung]

Yea, T&G I think has a drawing with a person next to it for scale.

I've struggled in the past to try and make one. I sketched one up in, well, "Sketch Up". I was trying to flatten out the surfaces to get real measurements, as I don't quite know how to do that with orthographic drawing, especially of with the angles that ship is built from.

 

[GypsyComet]

I don't quite know how to do that with orthographic drawing, especially of with the angles that ship is built from.

That was a really fun couple of weeks in Descriptive Geometry back in college, but I'd have to remind myself how to do it again before demonstrating.

 

[Ex_Pendable]

Fortunately, in Traders and Gunboats you do have the deck plan and dimensions on page 17 and again on page 28 for the Seeker, which also gives you a rear diagram. However, if the scale is right, I think the Seeker is taller.

I think if you just draw the basic deckplan in Sketchup, then port a copy to one side to skin, you should be able to work it out.

Spoiler:

 

[aramis]

So, I'd like to build a scale model of a Type-S, but I don't recall there ever being any official blueprints or engineering schematics published anywhere.

Am I wrong on that, or is there some publication that has exterior elevation, forward and stern views along with the obligatory deckplans?

Any response is welcome.

Supplement 7 has exterior views, pages 13 and 17, and page 17 also gives the dimensions.

From which, one can build a model and see that it used 2m decks...

 

[Blue Ghost]

Yea, T&G I think has a drawing with a person next to it for scale.

I've struggled in the past to try and make one. I sketched one up in, well, "Sketch Up". I was trying to flatten out the surfaces to get real measurements, as I don't quite know how to do that with orthographic drawing, especially of with the angles that ship is built from.

Scale
5mm = 30 meters according to the scale.

(major edit coming ... it's a good thing I didn't become an aerospace engineer. Can you imagine a scout ship 598 meters long )


Thanks everyone. Not sure if I'm going to use construction paper / cardboard or plastic.

Corrected

Special Note, the vessels four main panels extend beyond the actual hull, so a separate calculation for the 1.5 meter "bleed" or extension is needed in order to get the full true dimensions of the panels. Just an FYI. More updates later.

 

[Blue Ghost]

More mistakes. Need to recalculate.

I used the "wingtip dimension" on page 17 of sup 7, but the wingtips are actually roughly 1.5 meters forward of the aft bulkhead.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

Scale
5mm = 30 meters

Fore to Aft; 13.3 cm = 133 mm => 798 meters
Aft top to "keel" = 1.7cm = 17 mm => 10.2 meters
Wingtip to Wingtip* = 8.5 cm = 85 mm => 510 meters
Wingtip to central axis => 4.25 cm = 42.5 mm => 255 meters

I think you are getting the scale slightly wrong; the Scout is about 37.5 by 24 by 7.5 m according to S7.

 

[Blue Ghost]

Well, I was going strictly off the drawing. I'll have a gander at the text.

 

[whartung]

I will say that the one on Sup 7 has a very pronounced diamond shape. It's really quite "thick" to squeeze the decks in there.

But there's also a W. Keith drawing (somewhere else, I can't remember where), that shows a much sleeker/thinner version. This is a view from the right rear of the craft, and shows the twin thrusters in the back.

I will say I like the look of the thinner one, but I don't think it's necessarily a practical design.

That mock up I did in sketch up matched the earlier diagram, including the clipping of the rear corners like that. I started with the decks as canon, then tried to stretch the hull around them.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

Scale
5mm = 30 meters

In S7 the scale is 1 square (5 mm) = 1.5 m.

The hull is ~130 mm / 5 mm × 1.5 m = 39 m, fairly close to the stated 37.5 m.

If the hull was 800 m long the ship would be about 800 m × 512 m × 160 m ≈ 65,500,000 m³ ≈ 4,6 MDt

 

[Blue Ghost]

Again though, I was going purely off the drawing. It did seem rather large, but I thought that was maybe because I hadn't divided by ten or something. I've been working on the living room this afternoon, so I'll go back and redo the calculations later on this evening.

 

[Ex_Pendable]

I will say that the one on Sup 7 has a very pronounced diamond shape. It's really quite "thick" to squeeze the decks in there.

But there's also a W. Keith drawing (somewhere else, I can't remember where), that shows a much sleeker/thinner version. This is a view from the right rear of the craft, and shows the twin thrusters in the back.

I will say I like the look of the thinner one, but I don't think it's necessarily a practical design.

That mock up I did in sketch up matched the earlier diagram, including the clipping of the rear corners like that. I started with the decks as canon, then tried to stretch the hull around them.

Using the dimensions provided, I was able to draw the basic outline of the main deck, then added the rooms from the deck plan to correct the alignment where the corners got clipped.

Aramis says the decks are 2m high, which works for me but no tall people! Still, you can stack two 200-liter drums with overhead clearance, so it'll do for the cargo hold. Not like this was built for hauling shipping containers!

 

[Blue Ghost]

I misread the scale. It must have been the lighting or I was too tired or something, because I had it 1 cm = 30 meters, when it should have been 3.0 m. I feel like a real idiot. Oh well, it has been over 20 years since I did any serious drafting and math.

I'll tackle it later on tonight.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

I get something like this:

Green is an outline of 3 m high deck.
Red is an outline of 2 m high deck.
Purple is an outline of the traditional deckplan.

As we can see the canonical deckplan can't even be 2 m high...

Edit:
Note that the basic hull is only 7,5 m × 27 m × 39 m / 6 ≈ 1316 m³ ≈ 94 Dt.

 

[Blue Ghost]

Nevermind, I just saw the legend under the drawing.