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I think people overlook that there just aren't going to be that many skilled and powerful telepaths and clairvoyants, and they can't scan continuously. So a Thought Police patrol isn't going to be a common thing - they'll only be out and about just 'listening' occasionally. So if they're on your street, it's because someone has reported something amiss, or it's been noted that a resident of your street is in mental distress or is acting strangely.

It's just like in places where the police are trusted and are helpful, and someone hears what might be a fight or an accident at their neighbours and calls the police so that they can do a 'wellness check', except that psions doing the check are much more likely to be able to pick up the root of the problem (if indeed there is one), and 'he said, she said' isn't going to be the horrible mess it so often becomes for people in non-psionic societies.

I think for your average citizen the main direct experience would be a much more effective mental health system. Indirect benefits are a lower crime rate (almost all of it 'crimes of passion' and of impulse/extreme duress), more effective education system, and overall higher levels of contentment (and not because everyone is 'conditioned').

The main downside would appear to be limited opportunities for the ambitious if they're not psionic, and I suspect non-psions find it hard to get promotions and recognition even if they're very good in their job because Zhodani society just doesn't value non-psionic endeavours as much as it does psionic ones (aside from the Core Project, but that's not exactly a personal-scale thing). Of course Imperial society undervalues things that don't seem likely to result in wealth or elevation to the nobility.
 
The main downside would appear to be limited opportunities for the ambitious if they're not psionic, and I suspect non-psions find it hard to get promotions and recognition even if they're very good in their job because Zhodani society just doesn't value non-psionic endeavours as much as it does psionic ones
I would dispute this notion.
Just because you aren't psionic doesn't mean you can't have skills (of the ordinary character generation variety).
Zhodani society would be in trouble if they discard their most skilled/talented people in every field of endeavor just because they aren't society leading psionics.

The joke in college has long been that if you understand calculus you can't balance your checkbook. 😅

Just because you're a powerful telepath doesn't mean you're the best engineer (and vice versa, of course).
Point being that SKILLED people still have value, even if they aren't a member of Zhodani nobility.

Strong people use their muscles. 💪
Smart people use their brains. 🧠
REALLY SMART PEOPLE use OTHER PEOPLE. :cool:
 
I didn't mean that they're ignored - they clearly are not. Just that a prole likely finds it hard to get the same advancement as an intendant of otherwise the same ability, and that non-psionic fields don't get quite the same support. Pretty much any society will have some kind of biases in how individuals advance, and in what fields of endeavour they favour.
 
I think people overlook that there just aren't going to be that many skilled and powerful telepaths and clairvoyants, and they can't scan continuously.
Note that, in TNE, they CAN scan continuously.
In CT, MT, T4, and T20, they cannot.
In GT, it's a matter of skill...
I don't recall the MgT psi rules.
 
The main downside would appear to be limited opportunities for the ambitious if they're not psionic, and I suspect non-psions find it hard to get promotions and recognition even if they're very good in their job because Zhodani society just doesn't value non-psionic endeavours as much as it does psionic ones (aside from the Core Project, but that's not exactly a personal-scale thing). Of course Imperial society undervalues things that don't seem likely to result in wealth or elevation to the nobility.
Those who are overly ambitious will likely get toned down... especially if they have children.
 
Note that, in TNE, they CAN scan continuously.
True, though getting much detail require good power levels. OTOH, scanning for emotions is pretty easy, so looking for people who are feeling angry, depressed, etc. is something TNE telepaths can do effectively. OF course in TNE much of the Consulate is in ruins, so...
In CT, MT, T4, and T20, they cannot.
In GT, it's a matter of skill...
I don't recall the MgT psi rules.
As is standard for MgT, a variation of CT. In this case, including a career that gives chances of gaining psionic fields that you didn't have to start (and if you choose Telepathy as the first field to roll for, you automatically get it), so in a MgT universe the Zho's have lots of telepaths and those who pursue psionics as a career will likely have a wide range of fields.
 
Those who are overly ambitious will likely get toned down... especially if they have children.
If it's causing them to be disruptive or dissatisfied enough it's affecting their or their community's well-being, definitely. Just what the threshold for that is will doubtless vary somewhat from place to place. If they're otherwise successful and productive, I would expect counselling and finding some useful and healthy outlet would be the first remedy. I wonder how many potential trouble-makers end up making amazing model train dioramas...
 
"Die Gedanken sind frei" - except in Zho space.

"Thoughts are free, who can guess them?
They fly by like nocturnal shadows.
No person can know them, no hunter can shoot them
and so it'll always be: Thoughts are free!" - except in Zho space.

"And if I am thrown into the darkest dungeon,
all these are futile works,
because my thoughts tear all gates
and walls apart: Thoughts are free!" - except in Zho space.

Freedom of thought is the most essential freedom of humans - except in Zho space.
 
those last few posts bring to the question which I post here, but see that it could quickly devolve into the Pit so feel to have this removed if need be: what would be the difference between the Zhodani aspect of mind control (as portrayed by Imperial documentation at least), vs the "group think" of 1984, or the disinformation programs of (current and far, far future) social media where that is all you know due to a lack of actual " my own research™️"? such as the tossed about that the Imperial view of Zhodani is purely an Imperial invention to make Imperials hate and fear them?
 
those last few posts bring to the question which I post here, but see that it could quickly devolve into the Pit so feel to have this removed if need be: what would be the difference between the Zhodani aspect of mind control (as portrayed by Imperial documentation at least), vs the "group think" of 1984, or the disinformation programs of (current and far, far future) social media where that is all you know due to a lack of actual " my own research™️"? such as the tossed about that the Imperial view of Zhodani is purely an Imperial invention to make Imperials hate and fear them?
A more thorough technique, possibly more humane in most instances, and more likely to stick then a masked truth subject to being suddenly unveiled.
 
what would be the difference between the Zhodani aspect of mind control (as portrayed by Imperial documentation at least), vs the "group think" of 1984, or the disinformation programs of (current and far, far future) social media where that is all you know due to a lack of actual " my own research™️"?
The means and methods are different ... but the results (and goals?) are the same.

You don't NEED psionics in order to control people's minds, thoughts and perceptions ... it's just that telepathy is a REALLY USEFUL TOOL for achieving that aim (less fuss, less muss).
 
The means and methods are different ... but the results (and goals?) are the same.

You don't NEED psionics in order to control people's minds, thoughts and perceptions ... it's just that telepathy is a REALLY USEFUL TOOL for achieving that aim (less fuss, less muss).
More importantly, it allows checking to see if it worked before "graduation"...
 
Hmm, Really high TL H2 fuel tanks might utilize gravetics to make a black hole to store the H2 in highly compressed , not yet degenerate matter form, reduce the gravity force a bit and the pressure of the gasious H2 on the walls of the spherical tank increases and is H2 drawn off to be used wherever needed.
 
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