Any 2nd edition to fix errata?

[SpaceBadger]

I may have missed it as I don't follow all of the T5 threads, but has there been any word (official or unofficial) on plans for inclusion of errata fixes in a new edition - perhaps when T5 is released on PDF?

If I understand correctly, the only current T5 PDF available is on the CD from FFE, which would have all of the errors of the printed book, and I am kinda daunted by all of the errata posts I see in here.



EDIT: Second question, slightly related as in attempting to predict PDF release to DriveThru, etc: Have figures been released as to the initial print run of T5, numbers shipped, numbers remaining to be sold? Or does Marc hold this data as trade secrets?


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[DonM]

Marc has announced a Players' Guide, but not a second printing, and he hasn't released printing numbers.

I have no idea if it's a trade secret or not.

 

[SpaceBadger]

Maybe "2nd edition" isn't the right term, as that may imply extensive revision.

I guess what I am wondering about it a "2nd printing" with errata incorporated. Say when he runs out of printed books, or feels that market has been satisfied, and moves to release as PDF on DriveThru, etc.

He could just upload the current PDF, errors and all, to DriveThru and call it done.

Or he could have some minimal editing done on the PDF at that point to include recognized errata that have been collected by you in these threads.

I know which version I'd prefer to buy.

 

[DonM]

Marc has told me that the first printing is effectively sold out. He might have a few copies laying around, but it is mostly gone.

 

[SpaceBadger]

Marc has told me that the first printing is effectively sold out. He might have a few copies laying around, but it is mostly gone.

That sounds good, right?

Did he mention whether he is going for a 2nd printing of the hardcopy book (with errata fixed?) or preparing to release PDF to DriveThru etc (with errata fixed?)?

 

[Hemdian]

Hopefully both. PDFs are handy sometimes but I was contemplating picking up a couple of extra hardbacks (in the new year) to have at the gaming table.

 

[SpaceBadger]

Hopefully both. PDFs are handy sometimes but I was contemplating picking up a couple of extra hardbacks (in the new year) to have at the gaming table.

Better move fast; according to DonM's post above, Marc may be almost out of hardbacks!

 

[Ackehece]

Don if you could pass it on. I would be in for another hardcopy done as a 2nd printing with the errata fixed in it

 

[SpaceBadger]

Don if you could pass it on. I would be in for another hardcopy done as a 2nd printing with the errata fixed in it

Y'know, I probably would, too - with the errata fixed.

I'd prefer a PDF, but it is the huge amount of errata being discussed here that has really deterred me from buying it.

 

[Ackehece]

Y'know, I probably would, too - with the errata fixed.

I'd prefer a PDF, but it is the huge amount of errata being discussed here that has really deterred me from buying it.

I edited my copy of the pdf to fix it...

 

[robject]

That sounds good, right?

Did he mention whether he is going for a 2nd printing of the hardcopy book (with errata fixed?) or preparing to release PDF to DriveThru etc (with errata fixed?)?

It sounds good, but I'm sure the situation is complex. The Player's Book has to be virtually error-free. So errata has to be finished first, and that takes time. Then there's a second printing and a Player's Book -- and the Player's Book can't be simply an abridged version of the T5 BBB. The more it diverges from the BBB, the longer it will take to produce, so there's incentive to contain the differences to essentials -- e.g. just what players need to know, and what newbies need to know about Traveller and the OTU, and no more. Then Marc is finally at square one. It feels painfully slow to me.

 

[SpaceBadger]

It sounds good, but I'm sure the situation is complex. The Player's Book has to be virtually error-free. So errata has to be finished first, and that takes time. Then there's a second printing and a Player's Book -- and the Player's Book can't be simply an abridged version of the T5 BBB. The more it diverges from the BBB, the longer it will take to produce, so there's incentive to contain the differences to essentials -- e.g. just what players need to know, and what newbies need to know about Traveller and the OTU, and no more. Then Marc is finally at square one. It feels painfully slow to me.

Eh, I've got time. Some of the stuff in T5 sounds very cool, but I'm happy w CT for now. I can wait for something that won't have me pulling out all my remaining hair over errata.


EDIT: Also, every time I take another look at 2300AD, I start thinking, "Y'know, if I just changed THIS THING and THAT THING that I don't like, this would be really awesome..." So I can wait for a fixed-up T5.


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[Sherack Nhar]

It sounds good, but I'm sure the situation is complex. The Player's Book has to be virtually error-free. So errata has to be finished first, and that takes time. Then there's a second printing and a Player's Book -- and the Player's Book can't be simply an abridged version of the T5 BBB. The more it diverges from the BBB, the longer it will take to produce, so there's incentive to contain the differences to essentials -- e.g. just what players need to know, and what newbies need to know about Traveller and the OTU, and no more. Then Marc is finally at square one. It feels painfully slow to me.

Is that the actual plan, or just an example of how time-consumming the process could be? From what you are saying, a version of the T5 Core Rulebook with errata fixed will be released before the Player's Book; I was under the impression that the Player's Book would come first...?

I've started pencilling-in the errata in my rulebook and it's rather discouraging. As a newbie to the whole Traveller thing, the errata makes it difficult to understand the rules. I would gladly pay for a second printing or at least a fixed PDF.

 

[savage]

hard copies?

Hard copies are expensive, eye candy to a certain degree. It's nice that it is technically correct, not spelling/grammar.

I would be happy with an updated PDF or even the errata draft. The one on FFE website looks out of date.

 

[SpaceBadger]

Any new news since November? Robject? DonM?

 

[Daddicus]

I edited my copy of the pdf to fix it...

What software did you use? I've been wanting to do the same.

 

[cym0k]

What software did you use? I've been wanting to do the same.

I read somewhere that you can merge pdf and fdf errata but I have no idea what that is or what it means. But merging two files so that the errata are in place would be a god send.

 

[Timerover51]

Presently in the process of wading through the hard copy. What is needed for a 2nd edition is a thorough editing job and a reduction to about 100 pages maximum.

 

[aramis]

What is needed for a 2nd edition is a thorough editing job and a reduction to about 100 pages maximum.

I agree about the edit...

But average RPG books these days are in the range 128 to 512 pages, bimodal at about 160 and about 400.

A Player's manual in the 128-160 page range, sure. CGen, Tasks, Combat, Healing, possibly race generation, and a good selection of preworked gear.

The GM book should be a reformat and edit; it need not really be any shorter.

The only games I've seen under 128pp for a core book lately have been OSR stuff... and T5 isn't built to OSR sensibilities.

 

[daltoncalford]

The amount of material does not need to be reduced, it needs to be increased.

But, that is with the caveat that the number of books increases, while page count per book decreases.

A book for character creation, a book for combat, a world/creature/species creation book etc.
Equipment Supplements, Setting Supplements - you know, break it all down into small usable, workable chunks.