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Any 2nd edition to fix errata?

The thing about the big book is that all that stuff exists from the start. Many games that start out with a smaller, play focused, book never do get around to supporting the technical end of the thing.

Worse still, if it was a small rule section in a big third imperium book and you wanted to play another setting you'd have to lug all that third imperium stuff around when you neither needed nor wanted it.
 
On the other hand, with an errata-ed core book, smaller books could be produced that are consistent with the whole.
 
My problem is that I am just drooling over some of the ship design stuff that I read on here, yet am repelled by the great volume of errata as well, and I certainly can't afford to buy the book now just to look at ship stuff, then buy it again when the errata get fixed.

I don't know whether it is DriveThru policy or Paizo policy, but whenever Paizo releases updated versions of any Pathfinder books that I bought on PDF from DriveThru, I can download the new updated version for free. If Marc would at least release the present PDF through DriveThru, rather than requiring me to buy it on CD from FFE, then I'd be assured that at least I'd only have to pay for it once, and not pay again after errata get fixed.

I may be only one customer, but I'll bet that there are lurkers with the same viewpoint - offer me the PDF now, with a free upgrade after errata get fixed, and I'll take that deal!
 
SpaceBadger, I'm with you on the PDF, but I will go one step further: I'll pay for it again with errata included. Heck, I would buy a subscription if it were upgraded even annually.

FFE isn't very big. The same guy is the CEO and also licks the stamps. If we didn't have to pay, then eventually the largess has to dry up. He loves the game, but he's got to make a living, too.

It took 13 years to bring T5 to market. We, the hard-core fans, are going to have to build support for this nearly 40-year old game if it is to outlive us. I'm not sure how to do that, but it has to happen or the game dies.
 
I've been saying for a long while now that (IMO) the ideal approach would be to create the whole for consistency and then publish it as manageable chunks for useability. That ensures that we don't end up with bolted-on sections that work internally but suffer from mutual contradictions and disconnects.

I would imagine that once errata is applied to the T5 system and any necessary changes thrown up by experience since publication are implemented, then that situation will exist. After that we'll see the publish-by-chunks begin.
 
I've been saying for a long while now that (IMO) the ideal approach would be to create the whole for consistency and then publish it as manageable chunks for useability. That ensures that we don't end up with bolted-on sections that work internally but suffer from mutual contradictions and disconnects.

I would imagine that once errata is applied to the T5 system and any necessary changes thrown up by experience since publication are implemented, then that situation will exist. After that we'll see the publish-by-chunks begin.

+1.

(There's no other way of "liking" or supporting a post, is there? ;-)
 
SpaceBadger, I'm with you on the PDF, but I will go one step further: I'll pay for it again with errata included. Heck, I would buy a subscription if it were upgraded even annually.

FFE isn't very big. The same guy is the CEO and also licks the stamps. If we didn't have to pay, then eventually the largess has to dry up. He loves the game, but he's got to make a living, too.

It took 13 years to bring T5 to market. We, the hard-core fans, are going to have to build support for this nearly 40-year old game if it is to outlive us. I'm not sure how to do that, but it has to happen or the game dies.

Paying for errata corrections feels too much like encouraging sloppy work on the first run. I'd rather compensate and encourage Marc and FFE by buying new Traveller products, including licensed products that he gets fees from.
 
I have no idea how the reputation system works, so I'd only have disabled it by accident (which *is* a possibility). This acccount used to be an Ancient/Admin, so maybe it's a holdover from that.
 
SpaceBadger, I'm with you on the PDF, but I will go one step further: I'll pay for it again with errata included. Heck, I would buy a subscription if it were upgraded even annually.

Isn't it us fans who are editing the thing after the fact? For free right here on this board? Many of those same fans PAID to help write it and play test it?

FFE isn't very big. The same guy is the CEO and also licks the stamps. If we didn't have to pay, then eventually the largess has to dry up. He loves the game, but he's got to make a living, too.

LARGESS? My arse! The kick starter brought in more than TEN TIMES the amount required to publish, print and distribute.

It took 13 years to bring T5 to market. We, the hard-core fans, are going to have to build support for this nearly 40-year old game if it is to outlive us. I'm not sure how to do that, but it has to happen or the game dies.

Unfortunately Traveller has died. It is in its death throws now. As we old fans die off there isn't a new crop of fans developing other than a few of our children and acquaintances. Very few of those and very few others.

Look at this board. Very few new names pop up and of those here few support it. As for the Moot section, those who do support the site nearly never post there. Activity isn't exactly nil there but you'd be hard pressed to find a pulse.

What we have had for decades is poorly edited publications, missing data and recycled versions that sooner or later faded out. ERRATA has been the one constant and if you have ANY doubt of that look at Dons work.

BTW Don thank you for your hard work and the developing Magnum Opus

The people buying Traveller are those of us die hard fans (Me Included). Marc, on those rare occasions that he visits this, his own board (and never? posts here), must either laugh at our (Me Included) continued gullibility or hang his head in shame.

You even have aramis, the board admin, admitting T5 needs an overhaul. So guys, flame away at me but first how about proving me wrong?:mad:
 
I'm in the "would like to receive a corrected PDF" camp.
I understand that difficulties with a very small author/publisher setup. I think a lot of people bought into the whole T5 idea as part of supporting that -- but there are limits.
T5 as it stands hasn't caught my imagination; part of that's due to the issues that have been discussed at length. But I guess part of it's just taste. If I was introducing someone to Traveller, I'd still go for CT.
 
MGT is closer to CT than TNE/T4/T5 while having a great deal of support material.

I highly recommend it for new players.
I never played MGT, but given your suggestion, I'll take a look. (I dimly recall that MGT, TNE and T4 are included on the T5 CD...?)
 
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MegaTrav (MT) is on the T5 CD; Mongoose Trav (MGT) is not.

I too would like to see a fixed PDF, but as a beta participant and token kickstarter, I would hate to have to pay again for it.

Traveller may be "mostly dead" (Princess Bride) as an active game, but I think it will survive as science fiction fans grow and realize it's the best science fiction game for building your own universe. But it won't necessarily grow...

Michael
Knight of Seku/Core; Accidental Knight of Efate
 
Mongoose Traveller is growing, MGT2300 has a good following and new materials for all the traveller settings are being produced all the time.

MT was good, but does not have the level of supporting material/new material that MGT has.
 
MegaTrav (MT) is on the T5 CD; Mongoose Trav (MGT) is not.
Ah, okay, thanks.

Traveller may be "mostly dead" (Princess Bride) as an active game, but I think it will survive as science fiction fans grow and realize it's the best science fiction game for building your own universe. But it won't necessarily grow...
I think _Traveller_ as a family of games will always have some significant memory; which version is a different matter!
 
I think _Traveller_ as a family of games will always have some significant memory; which version is a different matter!

Exactly. Especially for as long as Marc keeps selling the CDs of the older versions -- the CT CD is still the best bargain in gaming!

And yes, Mongoose's audience may be growing, and that's good - I hope it is. If T5 can be used to extend Mongoose, then that's a win-win. But T5 needs to be fixed first.

Michael
Knight of Seku/Core; Accidental Knight of Efate
 
MegaTrav (MT) is on the T5 CD; Mongoose Trav (MGT) is not.

I too would like to see a fixed PDF, but as a beta participant and token kickstarter, I would hate to have to pay again for it.

Traveller may be "mostly dead" (Princess Bride) as an active game, but I think it will survive as science fiction fans grow and realize it's the best science fiction game for building your own universe. But it won't necessarily grow...

Michael
Knight of Seku/Core; Accidental Knight of Efate

Marc has, in the past, offered updates to disk holders for $5+ shipping.
 
Marc has, in the past, offered updates to disk holders for $5+ shipping.

Hey Aramis, please explain? I never heard of this and I have many cds that I bought from Marc in the past which had many scanning/ocr issues.
One of the worst was my 2300AD cd.

I have not purchased any more of FFE's cd's due to this.

I have also stopped from buying from drivethru due to the price difference - ie, if I wanted to buy the exact same content that is on the cd, but do it through drive thru, the cost difference is almost a factor of 10.

The only benefit has been that Drivethru offers free updates for any bad scans/issues

If Marc offered bundles that matched the cd's, I would buy more of his products.
 
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