Attn: Historians of the Rebellion Era (1116-1248)

[Drakon]

I have a few questions concerning the Rebellion and I apologize if these are a bit basic. My focus of interest is obviously Lemish subsector of Corridor.

1) What happens to the IISS during this entire time? Scouts are not soldiers, but do have value as intelligence assets for all factions during the war. So what did the scouts do while the Army and Navy were slaughtering each others?

2) Canon states that a)the fleet pulls out of Corridor, b) the Vargr attack, (the axises of attacks is something I am still looking at. Probably 2 lines, one via Dazey's World and Tamilaa, the other through Siuru and Khukish. Although I think the primary line of attack would come through Tamilaa and Weyland. But that is another discussion.) c) they smash Lemish as an example, d) and then what?

Do the Vargr stay to rule and colonize? Do they move on, to Depot, or Khukish or Naadi? Do the humans survivors mount a successful resistance? Or do they eventually working out a means of cohabitating?

The time between the attack and 1131 is a big blank space. I am trying to figure out what happened.

3) Lemish is almost half way between the Deneb Quarantine zone and the Vilani border, after the Virus. around 1205 there was some scurmishes between the two. Is there any details on these incidents?

That is it for now.

 

[aramis]

I have a few questions concerning the Rebellion and I apologize if these are a bit basic. My focus of interest is obviously Lemish subsector of Corridor.

1) What happens to the IISS during this entire time? Scouts are not soldiers, but do have value as intelligence assets for all factions during the war. So what did the scouts do while the Army and Navy were slaughtering each others?

Carry the mail, carry orders back and forth for low-priority orders, survey and tax assess captured worlds, report invasions by exiting immediately when one is ID'd.

Plus whatever the admiral asks those on loan to do.

2) Canon states that a)the fleet pulls out of Corridor, b) the Vargr attack, (the axises of attacks is something I am still looking at. Probably 2 lines, one via Dazey's World and Tamilaa, the other through Siuru and Khukish. Although I think the primary line of attack would come through Tamilaa and Weyland. But that is another discussion.) c) they smash Lemish as an example, d) and then what?

Mostly raiding. But note: Vargr Raiders are, essentially, corporate pirates. They don't want to rule, but they do want tribute, and don't want a sector nor subsector government to remain nor arise.

See, Ruling is (1) not exciting, (2) filled with liabilities, and (3) ties up forces.
Raiding, even heavy raiding like happens in Corridor, is (1) at least usually exciting, (2) limited liabilities if there is no government, and (3) Allows for more chances to prove dominance by extracting tribute, while (4) not tying up as many forces.

Do the Vargr stay to rule and colonize? Do they move on, to Depot, or Khukish or Naadi? Do the humans survivors mount a successful resistance? Or do they eventually working out a means of cohabitating?

THey're self-limiting. If too many are raiding, there is nothing left to pillage, so they raid each other. If not, then they are the increased pirate risk for outlands.

Note that raiders with full holds are VERY likely to take the goods on to the intended port - because they know the goods are likely to be at least ransomed, if not purchased outright.

Likewise, a good pirate never takes everything. Just the biggest score. In part, because corsairs have smaller cargo space, and in part, because piracy is (aside from origination port) best handled at taxation type rates - enough to be a pain, not enough to result in violent response from the prey.

The time between the attack and 1131 is a big blank space. I am trying to figure out what happened.

The maps in Hard Times tell much of the story.
Between 1116 and 1122 Subsectors B/C/D/F/G/H/K of Deneb, and A/B/C/D/E/F/G/H experience sufficient interruption of government to qualify as outlands/wilds. Essentially, the pull out of the sector fleet and the subsector numbered fleets by Lucan doomed them to being raided and overrun by Vargr raiders.

Subsectors C and H of deneb, and C & D of Corridor both suffered intensive (major front lines kind) warfare.
Subsectors A/B/D/G of Deneb and B/F/G of corridor were effectively war zones.

3) Lemish is almost half way between the Deneb Quarantine zone and the Vilani border, after the Virus. around 1205 there was some scurmishes between the two. Is there any details on these incidents?

Skirmishes means "small battles" and/or "fighting peripheral to the battle" and/or "fighting peripheral to the main line of battle".

Lemish is tackled to discourage Subsector Governments, IMO. It was the subsector capital. It's being targeted because it's got (1) the subsector fleet HQ, and (2) major fleet facilities (Scout, Navy bases, capital assets, probably the subsector admiralty court). Note that it also is J5 from any "vargr" worlds, and J4 from Depot/Corridor. It's an ideal staging point for wiping out Depot.

 

[Kilgs]

The supplement "Survival Margin" for TNE has some good maps and TNS reports of the progression of the Rebellion if you don't already have it.

I don't have much in the way of canon beyond what you have but...

SCOUTS: This is one I've thought about. You have to figure that they ended up as splintered as the others. But there would likely still be a sense of camaraderie between them. Much more Detached Duty activations for recon and other purposes. In Margaret's Domain, the IISS was ordered to redo their survey activity to map Wilds/Outlands/Frontier etc. This implies that at least some of them were with each faction.

VARGR: There is a semi-state attempted in Lishun by one of the Vargr chieftains. It's ramshackle, to use a coined term, and hindered by the Vargr propensities. The Rebellion sourcebook cites an artificial media icon as a unifying icon... which seems pretty dumb IMO. I would look to horde/mercenary forces in history for a better analogy. Essentially, as long as they're all near to each other and winning, things are great. Then a visionary comes and tries to settle down and rule... and half his/her army evaporates because, as Aramis put it, it's no longer "fun" or profitable.

 

[Drakon]

Carry the mail, carry orders back and forth for low-priority orders, survey and tax assess captured worlds, report invasions by exiting immediately when one is ID'd.

Plus whatever the admiral asks those on loan to do.

All the admirals left with the rest of the Imperial Navy, off to fight in the rebellion. The only imperial presense are the few nobles that felt their duty were to their people than fighting over somebody else's throne.

Would the Vargr leave the scouts in peace, allowing them to continue their mail transport and exploratory/survey missions?

Mostly raiding. But note: Vargr Raiders are, essentially, corporate pirates. They don't want to rule, but they do want tribute, and don't want a sector nor subsector government to remain nor arise.

See, Ruling is (1) not exciting, (2) filled with liabilities, and (3) ties up forces.
Raiding, even heavy raiding like happens in Corridor, is (1) at least usually exciting, (2) limited liabilities if there is no government, and (3) Allows for more chances to prove dominance by extracting tribute, while (4) not tying up as many forces.

So, the Vargrs would come in, blow the snot out of everything, steal what they can, repair their ships, and just leave?

Then return frequently to demand tribute from whomever was left.

THey're self-limiting. If too many are raiding, there is nothing left to pillage, so they raid each other. If not, then they are the increased pirate risk for outlands.

Note that raiders with full holds are VERY likely to take the goods on to the intended port - because they know the goods are likely to be at least ransomed, if not purchased outright.

if they hadn't blown up all those ships, they wouldn't have to carry the stolen booty in their own ships.

Likewise, a good pirate never takes everything. Just the biggest score. In part, because corsairs have smaller cargo space, and in part, because piracy is (aside from origination port) best handled at taxation type rates - enough to be a pain, not enough to result in violent response from the prey.

That would make sense. Now would the Vargr think that far ahead?

The maps in Hard Times tell much of the story.

Digging out the TNE disk,
1117: Khukish is Vargr invasion zone, next door.
1119: Lemish is a war zone, the entire subsector
1123: Lemish is outlands
1125: Wilds
1201: Wilds

Lemish is tackled to discourage Subsector Governments, IMO. It was the subsector capital. It's being targeted because it's got (1) the subsector fleet HQ, and (2) major fleet facilities (Scout, Navy bases, capital assets, probably the subsector admiralty court). Note that it also is J5 from any "vargr" worlds, and J4 from Depot/Corridor. It's an ideal staging point for wiping out Depot.

My thoughts exactly, and considered the unique way depot fell, it occurs to me that could have been a cunning plan gone wrong.
I read somewhere that after Depot, The Vengence and the Glory got to fighting and the Vengence, even though a smaller band of mercs in the larger Vargr Horde, ended up taking over the Glory eventually.

 

[aramis]

All the admirals left with the rest of the Imperial Navy, off to fight in the rebellion. The only imperial presense are the few nobles that felt their duty were to their people than fighting over somebody else's throne.

No, they didn't - because only the Imperial fleets were pulled, not the system fleets. And several of those would have admirals.

I don't recall definitive statements that the reserve fleets also got pulled.

 

[epicenter00]

1) What happens to the IISS during this entire time? Scouts are not soldiers, but do have value as intelligence assets for all factions during the war. So what did the scouts do while the Army and Navy were slaughtering each others?

I've always been unclear if the Scouts are actually considered a branch of the Imperial military or not.

I can't really imagine the Navy being content to leave a service with so many starships alone to do its own thing while wars rage, however.

I personally believe Scouts would be required to back-up the Navy in various roles. I'd imagine a large portion of the Scouts job would be to ... scout. They'd perform distant picket duties, act as listening posts in contested but lower-priority systems to track enemy transit patterns and perhaps even perform ELINT jobs, jumping into the distant orbits of hostile systems and perform "starship counting" duties and so on. Despite how it sounds, these lightly-armed starships would be really vulnerable doing this kind of stuff so during the Rebellion, the Scouts youngest, best and brightest probably got killed off at an amazing rate. The older Scouts probably tried their best to vanish into the woodwork (some might call it "desertion").

2) Canon states that a)the fleet pulls out of Corridor, b) the Vargr attack, (the axises of attacks is something I am still looking at. Probably 2 lines, one via Dazey's World and Tamilaa, the other through Siuru and Khukish. Although I think the primary line of attack would come through Tamilaa and Weyland. But that is another discussion.) c) they smash Lemish as an example, d) and then what?

Do the Vargr stay to rule and colonize? Do they move on, to Depot, or Khukish or Naadi? Do the humans survivors mount a successful resistance? Or do they eventually working out a means of cohabitating?

The Rebellion sourcebook cites an artificial media icon as a unifying icon... which seems pretty dumb IMO.

I don't think the character (whose name escapes me at the moment) was a true leader. He was basically a hate-spewing pundit who spread an anti-Imperial meme to the Vargr in his rants. Regardless of where such memetic ideas get started, once the ball gets rolling, it's very hard to stop. The figure engaged in "anti-Imperial tirades" which riled the Vargr up and the tirades struck an emotional chord in the Vargr.

IMO, he didn't create any states, direct raids to a particular planet, or anything else. He literally spewed his bile, which the Vargr just ate up. The Vargr, like humans manipulated by hate-mongers, felt it tapped into a historical (possibly "ancient") resentment and stoked feelings of righteousness and xenophobia; even if these were created (for instance, making the Vargr hate humans over the treatment by humans during the Julian Wars era - it'd be "manufactured" hatred - the Vargr truly impacted by such a "history" are all long dead as are their descendants of X generations since. So are the humans who did such things. Yet the Vargr under the influence of this pundit would start to feel like "the humans" did this to them personally or their packmates). The likely result of all of this is that Vargr raids became much more brutal, much less clinical (in the way Aramis described it), less attention paid to "not killing the goose that lays the golden eggs", and so on. The attacks became less piracy and raiding and more reaving and "smash and grab" type things.

Of course, Vargr are individuals, so there'd be all kinds of strange stories; human colony worlds paying Vargr raiders for protection and the raiders actually honoring that agreement and fighting future Vargr raiders and other odd tales would be pretty commonplace, but I think for the most part, the worlds of Corridor are in for a bad time. Vargr corsairs might hear about the good pickings, and after the 5th or 6th raid, the world might not have much left it can spare, but eventually the Vargr would start demanding things the world couldn't spare, just to make the trip for the Vargr worth it. The worlds might fight back, but exhausted as they are, they wouldn't put up a good fight and the Vargr would simply smash and take whatever they wanted. If there wasn't anything to take, they'd probably get more violent, directing anger to the natives for "wasting their trip."

 

[Kilgs]

I agree on the pundit thing but the explanation was kinda lame as to why it struck a chord. Basically, it was a self-adapting program that changed characteristics to each viewer in order to get the greatest emotional response.

In other words, a simple hate-spewing pundit is better (IMO) than a strange computer program that behaves like Max Headroom with Multiple Personality Disorder to be a more efficient hate-spewing pundit.

I don't know. It irritated me for some illogical reason. I like the "hate-spewing pundit" part better and am officially retro-conning ;-)

 

[Drakon]

No, they didn't - because only the Imperial fleets were pulled, not the system fleets. And several of those would have admirals.

I don't recall definitive statements that the reserve fleets also got pulled.

Okay, my understanding is that the reserve fleet were stationed at Depot, rather than co stationed with their sister fleets at Lemish. Also, I saw it as "all imperial naval vessels able to jump are to join in the fight." against Dulinor. Leaving behind ships who were irretrievably in drydock, the base and repair personel as well as all the dependents.

BTW: is the fate of the 105th and 60th fleets, or their reserves sisterfleets recorded anywhere? I suspect they were wiped out either in the direct flight with Dulinor, or later with the Virus, or borgified by the Virus.

 

[GypsyComet]

BTW: is the fate of the 105th and 60th fleets, or their reserves sisterfleets recorded anywhere? I suspect they were wiped out either in the direct flight with Dulinor, or later with the Virus, or borgified by the Virus.

Because the Corridor fleets were pulled in early, they were probably wiped out as effective fleets early. Some ships may have survived for longer, but since Lucan was fighting a multi-front war by four years in, the fates of each of the ships is probably unknowable. The Rebellion was not defined by a well known set of pitched battles so much as running battles, strategic feints and withdrawals, and whole subsectors considered one battlezone. Look at the conflict zone maps as the Rebellion progresses, then realize that no one survived to analyze and write the history. The fog of war never lifted.

 

[Drakon]

I've always been unclear if the Scouts are actually considered a branch of the Imperial military or not.

I can't really imagine the Navy being content to leave a service with so many starships alone to do its own thing while wars rage, however.

I personally believe Scouts would be required to back-up the Navy in various roles. I'd imagine a large portion of the Scouts job would be to ... scout. They'd perform distant picket duties, act as listening posts in contested but lower-priority systems to track enemy transit patterns and perhaps even perform ELINT jobs, jumping into the distant orbits of hostile systems and perform "starship counting" duties and so on. Despite how it sounds, these lightly-armed starships would be really vulnerable doing this kind of stuff so during the Rebellion, the Scouts youngest, best and brightest probably got killed off at an amazing rate. The older Scouts probably tried their best to vanish into the woodwork (some might call it "desertion").

Or possibly developed problems with their life support systems to ground their ships until long after the fleet has pulled out.

If the Imperial Navy uses the scouts as military scouts, then the scouts would be considered Imperial military and likely pulled with the Navy. Having an Imperial scout base on Vargr conquered world seems kind of unbelievable. If the scouts can sell themselves as a mail service, and/or scientific, the Vargr, (as well as the Ziru Sirka, and the Domain of Deneb) would allow them free travel.

I don't think the character (whose name escapes me at the moment) was a true leader. He was basically a hate-spewing pundit who spread an anti-Imperial meme to the Vargr in his rants. Regardless of where such memetic ideas get started, once the ball gets rolling, it's very hard to stop. The figure engaged in "anti-Imperial tirades" which riled the Vargr up and the tirades struck an emotional chord in the Vargr.

IMO, he didn't create any states, direct raids to a particular planet, or anything else. He literally spewed his bile, which the Vargr just ate up. The Vargr, like humans manipulated by hate-mongers, felt it tapped into a historical (possibly "ancient") resentment and stoked feelings of righteousness and xenophobia; even if these were created (for instance, making the Vargr hate humans over the treatment by humans during the Julian Wars era - it'd be "manufactured" hatred - the Vargr truly impacted by such a "history" are all long dead as are their descendants of X generations since. So are the humans who did such things. Yet the Vargr under the influence of this pundit would start to feel like "the humans" did this to them personally or their packmates). The likely result of all of this is that Vargr raids became much more brutal, much less clinical (in the way Aramis described it), less attention paid to "not killing the goose that lays the golden eggs", and so on. The attacks became less piracy and raiding and more reaving and "smash and grab" type things.

I know who you are talking about and I can't remember the name either. It was not so much a person, as much as a highly manipulative media "character" or even computer program

(which brings up the question of what happens when this program gets Virusized?)

From REbellion Sourcebook, pg63

The most popular of these synthetic personalities was Oekhsos; he conveyed a very strong charisma which inspired loyalty and allegiance among his viewers. Few realized that he was synthetic; most of his fans were inspired by the way his music touched their emotions and their intellects, and that effectively blinded them to seeing his synthetic nature.

Oekhsos, being synthetic, IS manipulated by his manager and a team of electronic scientists. They determine what subject matter his material will deal with. Recently, they found an explosive subject that markets better than any previous one: anti-Imperial tirades. Oekhsos' first tirade reached the top of the market charts immediately and stayed there for months. His second tirade sold even better. Other synthetic personalities joined in and produced their own tirades

Is this the Vargr we're looking for?

Of course, Vargr are individuals, so there'd be all kinds of strange stories; human colony worlds paying Vargr raiders for protection and the raiders actually honoring that agreement and fighting future Vargr raiders and other odd tales would be pretty commonplace, but I think for the most part, the worlds of Corridor are in for a bad time. Vargr corsairs might hear about the good pickings, and after the 5th or 6th raid, the world might not have much left it can spare, but eventually the Vargr would start demanding things the world couldn't spare, just to make the trip for the Vargr worth it. The worlds might fight back, but exhausted as they are, they wouldn't put up a good fight and the Vargr would simply smash and take whatever they wanted. If there wasn't anything to take, they'd probably get more violent, directing anger to the natives for "wasting their trip."

Sigh, yeah, that is my feelings as well. And after 15 years of Vargr destruction, the Virus comes in and smashes things flat again and on top of everything else they have been through.

 

[Lycanorukke]

I agree on the pundit thing but the explanation was kinda lame as to why it struck a chord. Basically, it was a self-adapting program that changed characteristics to each viewer in order to get the greatest emotional response.

The CG actor (called Okehsos) didn't adapt to the viewer, it was the viewing machine (the Utovogh) which did. By tweaking how the character was presented to the user, it could have a greater 'emotional impact' than simply watching an ordinary holovid.

For a very basic example of today, take movie soundtracks. Getting the right music score is only half the job. You need to time it, adjust volume, get the pitch juuust right, etc. Playing 'spooky background music' a bit too loudly and slightly out of synch ruins the effect as badly as playing Yakkity Sax during a supposed 'serious scene'.

Now add that to all the senses ( or at least sight and sound) and be able to tune it to the user, and you can do a great deal to change emotional mood. Especially if it is 3D - Okehsos is in the room with you talking to you and the effect is enhanced by the environment. A mistake (I think) is assuming that Okehsos is programmed to be the typical spittle flying, frothing at the mouth hate preacher. Much better he be a even toned, compelling character using half truths and lies to make 'reasonable' arguments, rather than loudly shouting and waving fists.

The evil imperials attacked a Vargr vessel? Drop the background light intensity just a fraction and add a little more bass to the presenters tone for a menacing effect, with just the slightest hint of 'evil music' at the edge of hearing. And all exactly tuned to the user to cause a reaction. Add to it that Okehsos is programmed to appeal to the Vargr psyche - using the words and tone of a high charisma Vargr thus causing an instinctual response to do what he says - and you have a wonderful manipulation tool.

Of course just because what someone says might strike a chord, doesn't mean everyone runs out and does what they say. But if even only 1% of local Vargr did jump up and go on a rampage, that is a still a _lot_ of Vargr.

 

[Drakon]

Rebellion Sourcebook pg 19

The transfer order reached Corridor on 221-1117. Corridor Fleet, vastly over strength for the territory it patrolled, was staffed by personnel from throughout the Imperium. Its mission, one it had pursued for centuries, was to protect the passage through Corridor of imperial commerce and communications. Although abandoning that mission was difficult, the Emperor's transfer order made it clear that a higher mission was being assigned, to help save the lmperium from the rebel Dulinor. Corridor Fleet assembled at Depot on 242-1117 and began a long convoy to Core sector. The defense of the sector was left to a scattering of reserve squadrons. Peace, even without the massive Corridor Fleet patrols, continued for a time Late In the year, several Vargr raiding expeditions made tentative forays into the sector When they met only minimal opposition, they grew bolder and others followed. Express boat traffic came to a halt. Merchant ships cancelled the scheduled routes through the sector By the end of 1117, Corridor sector was in chaos.

This gives a few added details. Squadrons are not fleets, and Lemish is one of 8 subsectors that need defending.

Also according to RS 1117, 1118, 1119, 1120 the entire subsector is one big war zone.

 

[aramis]

Okay, my understanding is that the reserve fleet were stationed at Depot, rather than co stationed with their sister fleets at Lemish. Also, I saw it as "all imperial naval vessels able to jump are to join in the fight." against Dulinor. Leaving behind ships who were irretrievably in drydock, the base and repair personel as well as all the dependents.

BTW: is the fate of the 105th and 60th fleets, or their reserves sisterfleets recorded anywhere? I suspect they were wiped out either in the direct flight with Dulinor, or later with the Virus, or borgified by the Virus.

There are questions whether or not reserve fleets ARE imperial vessels, or subsector government's subsector navies.

I've never seen convincing evidence either way.

And if the reserve fleets are NOT the subsector navies, then the subsector navies (Duchy navies for the Hansians) are clearly not Imperial.

 

[Drakon]

Hard Times pg 9

The Imperium started the war with 320 numbered fleets and an equal number of resenre fleets. By 1121, fewer than 95 numbered and 130 reserve fleets remained. Most had been reduced to 60% strength or less, with the heaviest losses in the BatRons and CruRons.

Indicating that the reserve fleets were sent along with the regular fleets.

This is a 70 % chance the regular fleets were gone in 5 years and a 60 % chance that the reserve fleets were destroyed as well.

 

[whulorigan]

There are questions whether or not reserve fleets ARE imperial vessels, or subsector government's subsector navies.

I've never seen convincing evidence either way.

And if the reserve fleets are NOT the subsector navies, then the subsector navies (Duchy navies for the Hansians) are clearly not Imperial.

It seems reasonable to me that there would be both. I would think that the Imperial Navy would maintain its own Reserves independent of any Subsector Navy. Yet in time of crisis, said Subsector Navies might be "Imperialized" and brought under the jurisdiction of the Imperial Reserve (similar to how the US Coast Guard would be brought under the jurisdiction of the US Navy during wartime).

 

[Drakon]

It seems reasonable to me that there would be both. I would think that the Imperial Navy would maintain its own Reserves independent of any Subsector Navy. Yet in time of crisis, said Subsector Navies might be "Imperialized" and brought under the jurisdiction of the Imperial Reserve (similar to how the US Coast Guard would be brought under the jurisdiction of the US Navy during wartime).

I too also see the reserves as part of the Imperial fleet, rather than doled out to any subjurisdictions such as sectors or subsectors.

Plus remember that the Imperium owns the space between the stars, so they might not want subordinates using jumpable ships.

I see the reserves as organized just like the main fleet, but with older ships. Not First Line ships but more Second Line, although probably a very close second.

 

[Nathan Brazil]

Do the Vargr stay to rule and colonize? Do they move on, to Depot, or Khukish or Naadi? Do the humans survivors mount a successful resistance? Or do they eventually working out a means of cohabitating?

The time between the attack and 1131 is a big blank space. I am trying to figure out what happened.

3) Lemish is almost half way between the Deneb Quarantine zone and the Vilani border, after the Virus. around 1205 there was some scurmishes between the two. Is there any details on these incidents?

By 1248 era:
Fact 1: The war in 1205-1206 had a treaty in 1208 creating a buffer zone between The Regency and the new Vilani Empire, with Corridor as the Buffer Zone
Fact 2: In the 1248 map, The New Vilani Empire reaches and dominates The Narrows subsector and all of Uantil subsector, but no worlds in Lemish or Naadi subsector.
Fact 3: The map in the 1248: Out of Darkness Book
Lemish subsector has only have one political entity "Vargr Splinters Region" in the coreward area. The rest is light grey. "Note: Regions in light grey are Wilds, or if within 5-10 parsecs of the borders of polities, frontier regions."

Estimate: Based on the curve of the boundary, draw a line from hex 1704/1705 to 2402/2403. Anything coreward of the line is Vargr Splinters. Anything rimward Frontier/Wilds.
Considerations: The Vilani Border might have changed over time. It may have expanded to its 1248 line. Or shrank. How much impact did The Scouring of Vland in 1211 have to the Ziru Sirka?

 

[Drakon]

By 1248 era:
Fact 1: The war in 1205-1206 had a treaty in 1208 creating a buffer zone between The Regency and the new Vilani Empire, with Corridor as the Buffer Zone

Meaning that Lemish and the other systems ends up as Poland. Any rising polity would have to be able to successfully sell both sides on the stability that such a polity could provide as well as plausable deniablity for any incidents.

Estimate: Based on the curve of the boundary, draw a line from hex 1704/1705 to 2402/2403. Anything coreward of the line is Vargr Splinters. Anything rimward Frontier/Wilds.
Considerations: The Vilani Border might have changed over time. It may have expanded to its 1248 line. Or shrank. How much impact did The Scouring of Vland in 1211 have to the Ziru Sirka?

That is along the lines of the 3rd Imperium's former borders. Which makes sense and puts this essentially where we were before the rebellion began. Except now, Lemish has gone through two apoclypses. Apoclypysi?

 

[Drakon]

Where was the treaty of 1208 signed?

 

[Nathan Brazil]

On point 1 Drakon, I would agree. To make matters worse for Lemish, the Regency implodes, splintering into several entities due to various issues. By 1248, the Regency end of the "neutral zone" goes further away if anything. The closest rimward known entity to Lemish is the "Gateway Federation" a 7 system polity straddling Subsectors D and H of Deneb sector. It was part of the one way expansion of the Regency in the early 1200's. While considered as success a written in the book, they do have not A class starports, and everything else more powerful is rimward in subsectors C and G of Deneb. Everything else in D and H is Na allegiance. Lemish is not gonna get love there anytime soon.

Lemish subsector is enjoying the full effects of the Empress Wave by 1248, so no psionic empires are going to be there (in case you were thinking about it).

Finally, just found this in Sourcebook 3:
"The New Ziru Sirka is active in Corridor, and has fought the Regency for dominance in Corridor, which resulted in a treaty between the two states. However, after the Scouring of Vland and the collapse of the Imperial Regency, the treaty no longer applies. Consequently proxies for the League of Deneb and the New Ziru Sirka continually battle throughout the various pocket empires in Corridor."

There are no UWP's for Corridor sector in 1248. Other than facts presented here, speculate to your heart's content.