awarded baronies

[flykiller]

Plenty of cosmopolitan hi-tech, hi-pop centers very close to plenty of "Triple Lows"; low pop, low tech, and low law.

yeah, on first starting this I presumed a very settled situation here, but there's a whole lotta space here for referees and pc's. what I'm thinking though is not a thorough setting development - don't have time anyway - but a general setting description to give referees material for their own ideas.

heh. what'll really be a lot of fun is udap is balkanized. not my world to develop but the results - national/corporate espionage and cultural differences - will be readily on display on gudak.

really don't like the very low pop / very high tech worlds though. imtu I'd cut the tech to match the pop, but I'm just going by travellermap ....

"I'd hate to see anything happen to it. Perhaps you should invest in my security company"

actually gudak would be the second largest tax source in the subsector. but the subsector duke already lives on a 9F world, so there's not much gudak could contribute that would make a significant difference. gudak might be more valuable as a source of info on the status of economic activity in the shallows sector, since according to wiki.traveller all sorts of retirees wind up on udap.

 

[G. Kashkanun Anderson]

gudak might be more valuable as a source of info on the status of economic activity in the shallows sector ...

Just as a heads up: Shallows is a subsector; the sector name is Dagudashaag.

 

[flykiller]

Shallows is a subsector; the sector name is Dagudashaag

thank you, trying to work fast on this little machine leads to errors ....

updated the gudak stat sheet (please observe that if printed it fits nicely onto a 8.5 by 11 inch standard sheet). asked twice about the official graphic for gudak, received no response, tried to pull it off of the travellermap, couldn't, so as baron I'm declaring this the official graphic (ss12/14 has its priviledges). I see the depicted area as being the main inhabited/agricultural region similar to italy. I may add city/port/other locations later.

of interest is that gudak itself is at 0-92, well inside it's star's 100d of 201ls and requiring an average trip of 22 hours (m4) to reach it from the precipitation point. the second planet out, 1-207, is both marginally habitable and outside this 100d limit, so it probably should be treated as a very high-port even though the 100d looms right on it and occludes about 1/3 of the sky. it also is the natural choice to accomodate the xboat link and support.

4-782 and 8-9976 are industrial operations on particulary high resource-accessible worlds with several hundred/thousand workers, I'm thinking like the movie "outland".

7-4840 was badly fractured in the distant past and has a significant atmosphere in its deep valley and a significant biosphere based on volcanic heat. dark as all get-out but much phosphorescent light. has a research station with several hundred scientists.

work in progress, any comments/observations/suggestions/criticisms please feel free.

 

[flykiller]

imperial structure

lady kigakiimga gubadi, baroness of gudak, line comodore imperial navy
(husband) uuiimmas augke, university professor of imperial history
(three daughters)

baronet, port authority, imperial naval construction, planetary requisitions

knight (female), secretary to the baroness, protocol expert
knight (female), planetary liaison and treaty expert
knight, administrator of scout operations and base
knight, interplanetary/intersubsector/intersector relations

work in progress, any comments/observations/suggestions/criticisms please feel free.

 

[inexorabletash]

how official is the associated planetary graphic? and what is that, terra nova or something else?

the planetary data lists no moons.

I missed these questions:

The world images are just placeholders for all but a few worlds (Terra, Regina, Reference, etc). They show hydro/size and are tinted based on the primary star to give some flavor.

The official data set doesn't go into the level of detail like moons. If the system appeared in print somewhere that may be defined, but generally it's up to the ref.

 

[flykiller]

The world images are just placeholders for all but a few worlds

hm. they looked fairly detailed, so I thought they were significant.

not getting much of a commentary on any of this so I'll just finish it and post it. if you find room for inclusion of it in the tm or something else "official" that's great, if not then yeah any referee can do this.

 

[flykiller]

The official data set doesn't go into the level of detail like moons.

are any main worlds gas giant orbitals?

 

[inexorabletash]

are any main worlds gas giant orbitals?

Yes, although very few are identified in the official data. The code is Sa (Satellite) - Regina is the canonical (in both senses of the word) example:

https://travellermap.com/world?sector=Spinward Marches&hex=1910

Only a handful of sectors (Spin, Solo, ????) have worlds marked Sa. The rest just haven't had systems detailed to even that level.

 

[Ackehece]

Yeah!

I have been Granted the title of
Duke of Inarli
corr 2137 Inarli B677989-C
by His Imperial Majesty Strephon

Duke of the Third Imperium


"First, we will set course for Ren’s birthworld, Inarli, on the edge
of the Great Rift. I have his sample, his other smallest finger, to return
some part of him to his origins." pg 227 AotI


that is the extent of the official canon related to Inarli

 

[whulorigan]

[FONT=arial,helvetica]

Yeah!

I have been Granted the title of
Duke of Inarli
corr 2137 Inarli B677989-C
by His Imperial Majesty Strephon

Duke of the Third Imperium

[/FONT]

Updated in the Roll of the Imperial College of Arms, Your Grace.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mRGZE7RZZJrchoaudEX9-wXeZTTJves6ohYiigK2STU/edit?usp=sharing

Congratulations!

 

[flykiller]

so I'm thinking that twele(isi ahto)(gushemege) is where gudak (among other worlds) will dump many of their convicts. "go live with the graytch." twele is a "captive government" world. while the twiki often lists what colonies a world owns, twiki does not state the owner of a colony. anybody know who owns twele?

 

[GypsyComet]

Code Mr, or Military Reserve. The Imperium owns it.

A bunch of asteroid installations full of spider people? That's nightmare fuel.

 

[Whipsnade]

Great googly moogly, Fly!

An Imperial prison/exile system comprised of a planetoid belt run by spider people?

I think you just won COTI's Halloween Contest!

 

[flykiller]

That's nightmare fuel.

well, a world like gudak which is 1) lancian "creative" and is 2) matriarchal and where 3) males are deprecated and is 4) adjacent to an AF world famous for it's cyber-psychic controls and where 5) 5-year-olds participate in voting for wages is disturbing in its own way too.

An Imperial prison/exile system comprised of a planetoid belt run by spider people?

huh, hadn't thought of _them_ running it. well, not my world, but it would fit. "hyyoouurrrrrrr owwwwwwwn peeeeeplll haffffffffff sssssssssended hyuuuuuuuuuu hhhhhheeeeeer to hwwwwworrrrk, annnnnnnd hwwwwworrrrk hyuuuuuuuuu sssssshhhhalllllll." after all that tech level 14 capability has to come from somewhere, and those imperial naval ships need building.

 

[Whipsnade]

well, a world like gudak which is 1) lancian "creative" and is 2) matriarchal and where 3) males are deprecated and is 4) adjacent to an AF world famous for it's cyber-psychic controls and where 5) 5-year-olds participate in voting for wages is disturbing in its own way too.

If that crap came from the Signal GK issue, you're better off ignoring it.

Matriarchal and males deprecated? Fine. That's just a repeat of Mora.

Cyber-psychic controls? Huh? Psychic controls? In the Imperium? Out in the open in the Imperium? Really? The facts that the Suppressions really weren't suppressions and that Imperium uses psionics aren't in question here. Look at RSG. There's also the Answerin, but they're relatively small in number and their practices can be explained away to the general populace by the "Powers that Be" in various ways. But an AF world close to the Core openly practicing cyber-psychic control of it's population? Sorry, my belief suspenders just snapped.

Five-year-olds voting for wages? That's nothing but a lazy application of a roll on a table. Those cultural quirks in WBH are supposed to be a starting point and not a finished detail.

uh, hadn't thought of _them_ running it. well, not my world, but it would fit.

I've got a few similar Minors in similar positions in MTU. They make great guards, wardens, and the like because they simply don't care on a fundamental level about humans and what humans care about. You can't bribe them and you can't befriend them because even the experts can barely understand what makes them tick.

It would be as case of the Imperium telling the Graytch "From time to time, we will send people to live among you. They may work and they may not be harmed, but they also may not leave. Do this and you will be allowed to continue living in the manner of your ancestors."

 

[flykiller]

well, a world like gudak which is 1) lancian "creative" and is 2) matriarchal and where 3) males are deprecated and is 4) adjacent to an AF world famous for it's cyber-psychic controls and where 5) 5-year-olds participate in voting for wages is disturbing in its own way too.

If that crap came from the Signal GK issue, you're better off ignoring it.

well, it's out of wiki.traveller, so I'm just trying to fit in.

But an AF world close to the Core openly practicing cyber-psychic control of it's population?

the population of upag is (wiki.traveller) described as being "73% geriatric retirees living out the remainder of their lives in vr simulations". since the lancians and some minor race are renowned for their cyber-psychic (cyber-cerebral?) work and upag is tech F then I figure it plays a role. I suppose if one seeks to justify it then it is accepted because 1) it is not inherent but dispensed and thus controllable and 2) it is either voluntary (in the case of the retirees) or a penalty (in the case of the prisoners) and thus limited. if one wished. I'm just trying to fit in while mildly extrapolating.

Five-year-olds voting for wages? That's nothing but a lazy application of a roll on a table.

actually it appears to be a free-form workup of a culture defined as being a successful communist society. I stopped reading carefully after the "five year olds voting" part, but if such a society were to exist then there will be consequences, and I began looking around for a suitable "siberia" to put the dissidents in. twele seems to fit the bill nicely. in the interest of player characters visiting the world encountering its various features I've even drawn up a prisoner transport ship with an eye to the routes it would have to take.

 

[Whipsnade]

well, it's out of wiki.traveller, so I'm just trying to fit in.

The Wiki. Do I really need to say more?

the population of udap is (wiki.traveller) described as being "73% geriatric retirees living out the remainder of their lives in vr simulations". since the lancians and some minor race are renowned for their cyber-psychic (cyber-cerebral?) work and udap is tech F then I figure it plays a role.

That's another kettle fish entirely. I blithely assumed a Blade Runner/Neuromancer mash-up with a heavy dose of psionics to make the implants work. A government monitoring, editing, and censoring VR programs with an eye towards "soft" social control is something else entirely.

In fact, it sounds a lot like Earth in Barnes' Million Open Doors series.

I stopped reading carefully after the "five year olds voting" part...

As would anyone with an IQ above room temperature in Celsius.

... but if such a society were to exist then there will be consequences...

Because it's Traveller, all we need do is change our perspective. Wheels within wheels, right?

Five-year-olds "vote" because local decisions are made communally with families voting as blocks. The more members in the immediate family, the more votes that family casts as a block. Thus five-year-olds can be said to vote. That's just one way you can tweak the idea towards plausibility.

... and I began looking around for a suitable "siberia" to put the dissidents in.

With the type of system I proposed, you're going to have a lot of people whom the majority view as dissidents. Given the nature of communal voting, you're going to have entire families exiled. Many of the consequences you're looking for are built right in.

... twele seems to fit the bill nicely.

It does. Who wants live like spam in a can on a planetoid watched over by spider people?

... in the interest of player characters visiting the world encountering its various features I've even drawn up a prisoner transport ship with an eye to the routes it would have to take.

Encountering it's features and recoiling in horror. My favorite type of "We're not in Kansas anymore" moment.

 

[flykiller]

The more members in the immediate family, the more votes that family casts as a block. Thus five-year-olds can be said to vote.

hm. gudak is said to be not merely a matriarchy, but a strong matriarchy where only mothers are enfranchised and the mother-daughter relationship "is the only relationship that matters". so one could "spin it" as "mother/daughter(s)" voting I suppose.

and this matriarchy combined with the "lancian creativity" motif has strong outcomes ....

... which I'm trying to coalesce into an adventurable setting without reinventing the whole thing, so ...

The Wiki. Do I really need to say more?

... I know what you mean, but the alternative is to start over from scratch. and I'm merely a baron, not the duke.

 

[Whipsnade]

hm. gudak is said to be not merely a matriarchy, but a strong matriarchy where only mothers are enfranchised and the mother-daughter relationship "is the only relationship that matters". so one could "spin it" as "mother/daughter(s)" voting I suppose.

I lifted and twisted Navajo matrilineal customs for a Minor race IMTU. There are groupings much like the Roman gens and "marriage" normally occurs between adults of different gens. All children are raised to maturity in their mother's extended household. That is referred to as their born to gens. The father's gens, to which the father returns after any children reach maturity and children may join upon maturity, is referred to as the born for gens. There's a lot of "politics" going on between gens over just who marries who.

Folding that bumf into my early gibberish about communal voting blocks, matriarch-ruled families would vote as blocks with the weight of their vote determined by the size of the family. Thus five-year-olds "vote".

and this matriarchy combined with the "lancian creativity" motif has strong outcomes

Very much so. "Lancian creativity" could also be why Grampaw Shemp will retire to that VR system on "Upag" rather than simply "plugging in" at home. Upag can offer better and continuously updated VR programming thanks to "Lancian creativity".

... I know what you mean, but the alternative is to start over from scratch. and I'm merely a baron, not the duke.

Even if you scrub it down to the UWPs and systems locations, you're not starting from scratch. Use the Wiki as both a positive and negative inspiration; i.e. "That could be interesting if I did this..." and "I certainly won't be using something like that...", and not as a straightjacket or even a road map.

 

[flykiller]

There's a lot of "politics" going on between gens over just who marries who.

heh. perhaps trade breeding males ....

dunno. just want to present something that's playable and not too dark. and that fits in to what's already presented in wiki - yeah I can slash and burn with the best of them and come up with my own stuff, but if it's only mine then it's isolated both in play and in setting. refereeing is hard work, so good or bad whatever's in the wiki will tend to get used. which actually is another issue, I don't know if anyone plays in that region at all. suppose I could try to put up something that's good enough to inspire play there, but my record there does not inspire confidence.

"lancian culture" is portrayed as if it is individualist, but the gudak exclusive mother/daughter emphasis plays against that for males (and probably for the females too). have to treat it as a range, not a universal.