Having just read some thing on the history of the 4518Th "Duke of Regina's huscarles" I'd like to know is there any special uniform they wear to set them apart from the rest of the empire's troops or do they wear the same uniforms as everyone else, and rely on their insignia to mark them. From what I've read the 4518th lift infantry has a colorful history but isn't treated like an elite unit . can any one tell me more????
Can any one describe the Uniforms of the 4518?
- Thread starter soloprobe
- Start date
far-trader
SOC-14 10K
Well, there's some Paul Jaquays art in the SMC in the 4518 section. Though I'm not sure I'd take it as canon. And it's only a pencil shaded sketch. A woman crouch walking in a form fitted (but not skin tight) single-suit including feet and head. Face and hands exposed (though the hood looks like an under garment so maybe there are gloves too) wearing a helmet (in the proper term, just a half dome cap) with half face visor flipped up. She's armed with a handgun (no power pack or cord but looks laser pistol like) and a dagger.
Take that for what it's worth, knowing that the art may not have been drawn for the purpose, or with full info. It should likely represent the editor's (Marc?) and/or art director's sense of appropriate though.
There's also the unit patch in SMC, and elsewhere, to distinguish them. And I seem to recall some art in MT of a formation of troops and/or vehicles of the 4518th.
Personally I think they have to be a pretty elite unit. They're kitted at TL 15 on a TL 12 world and serve the Duke of Regina c1110 (soon to be Archduke of the Marches).
Take that for what it's worth, knowing that the art may not have been drawn for the purpose, or with full info. It should likely represent the editor's (Marc?) and/or art director's sense of appropriate though.
There's also the unit patch in SMC, and elsewhere, to distinguish them. And I seem to recall some art in MT of a formation of troops and/or vehicles of the 4518th.
Personally I think they have to be a pretty elite unit. They're kitted at TL 15 on a TL 12 world and serve the Duke of Regina c1110 (soon to be Archduke of the Marches).
Soloprobe,
As Dan pointed out, there's little or nothing regarding the 4518ths dress uniforms in canon. Which means you can come up with something we all will eagerly/greedily snap up.
With regards to the Huscarles' working and combat uniforms, I'd expect them to be Imperial bog standard with unit-specific flashes. They're kitted out at TL15 so any of the canonical depictions of those types of uniform will apply.
The 4518th is an old outfit dating as least as far back as the Imperial Civil War of the early 600s. FWIU, the earliest canonical date which mentions the unit involves a Baron Caranda of Regina who used the unit to suppress anti-Arbellatra supporters in the 620s after that soon-to-be Regent and later Empress left the Marches to stop the Civil War in the Core. That means that the 4518th might be one of the oldest continually formed military units in the Marches.
When you look at the dress uniforms of real world units of similar vintage, a number of anachronistic flourishes should be part of the 4518th's dress uniform and those flourishes should reflect something of the unit's history. For example, during the their involvement in the Psionic Suppressions, the 4518th was expanded to over brigade in size. What sort of tiny details in the 4518th's dress uniforms might harken back to that service?
Regards,
Bill
As Dan pointed out, there's little or nothing regarding the 4518ths dress uniforms in canon. Which means you can come up with something we all will eagerly/greedily snap up.
With regards to the Huscarles' working and combat uniforms, I'd expect them to be Imperial bog standard with unit-specific flashes. They're kitted out at TL15 so any of the canonical depictions of those types of uniform will apply.
The 4518th is an old outfit dating as least as far back as the Imperial Civil War of the early 600s. FWIU, the earliest canonical date which mentions the unit involves a Baron Caranda of Regina who used the unit to suppress anti-Arbellatra supporters in the 620s after that soon-to-be Regent and later Empress left the Marches to stop the Civil War in the Core. That means that the 4518th might be one of the oldest continually formed military units in the Marches.
When you look at the dress uniforms of real world units of similar vintage, a number of anachronistic flourishes should be part of the 4518th's dress uniform and those flourishes should reflect something of the unit's history. For example, during the their involvement in the Psionic Suppressions, the 4518th was expanded to over brigade in size. What sort of tiny details in the 4518th's dress uniforms might harken back to that service?
Regards,
Bill
far-trader
SOC-14 10K
One thing they're likely to maintain (and for CT OTU I say certainly) is the tradition of the dress cutlass. The 4518th was originally Imperial Marines and it still maintains a strong Imperial Marine tie via temporary duty transfers.
Hits
CT M03 Module 03 Spinward Marches Campaign.pdf
CT S12 Supplement 12 Forms & Charts.pdf - Unit ID Card
GmDW-MT_RebellionSB.pdf - unit counter (5-15 on the invasion Earth scale)
JTAS09.pdf - extensive article confirms marine origins.
JTAS20.pdf - discusses the SAS' 4518 Unit Patch Kit... which included uniform notes.... but which said notes are not on the CT/JTAS CD
Misses
GmDW-MT_ImperialEncyclopedia.pdf - Year 4518AD: founding of the imperium
Challenge25.pdf
JTAS21.pdf - advert for patch set
JTAS23.pdf - advert for patch set
Now, knowing they're imperial marines, that's black and maroon dress uniforms; IMC is IIRC Black tunic, maroon trousers, cover & belt. Otherwise looks much like current USMC.
ISTR that the 4518th is reversed color: Black trousers, maroon tunic.
CT M03 Module 03 Spinward Marches Campaign.pdf
CT S12 Supplement 12 Forms & Charts.pdf - Unit ID Card
GmDW-MT_RebellionSB.pdf - unit counter (5-15 on the invasion Earth scale)
JTAS09.pdf - extensive article confirms marine origins.
JTAS20.pdf - discusses the SAS' 4518 Unit Patch Kit... which included uniform notes.... but which said notes are not on the CT/JTAS CD
Misses
GmDW-MT_ImperialEncyclopedia.pdf - Year 4518AD: founding of the imperium
Challenge25.pdf
JTAS21.pdf - advert for patch set
JTAS23.pdf - advert for patch set
Now, knowing they're imperial marines, that's black and maroon dress uniforms; IMC is IIRC Black tunic, maroon trousers, cover & belt. Otherwise looks much like current USMC.
ISTR that the 4518th is reversed color: Black trousers, maroon tunic.
E.D.Quibell
SOC-13
But that's just it. They aren't Imperial Marines. There the Duke of Regina's own Hussars, converted from the Marines to be seperate form them and then re-Imperialized in the 4th FW. Why would their uniform be anuthing like the Imperial Marines?
Regards,
Ewan
Becuase uniforms tend to remain inherited. US Navy Sailors (E1-E6) still wear what is essentially a UK uniform (Cracker Jacks), complete with commemoration stripes for UK victories in the early 1700's.
The Confederacy changed the color, but not the cut, of the Union Uniform
Plus, the 4518 maintains a bulk of seconded IMC troops on extended tours. It's the same kind of situation as the AVG was in WWII... just enough different to KNOW they are not the same, but close enough that the troops have nothing to relearn.
The Confederacy changed the color, but not the cut, of the Union Uniform
Plus, the 4518 maintains a bulk of seconded IMC troops on extended tours. It's the same kind of situation as the AVG was in WWII... just enough different to KNOW they are not the same, but close enough that the troops have nothing to relearn.
