CT Only: Carried Small Craft and Vehicles question

[aramis]

It was 1977. Everyone was making it up as they went along.

Marc, Loren, Tim, and Frank had been designing wargames for years...

The ground car matches (feature for feature) one of the cars in a 1976 issue of Popular Mechanics.

The APC matches a published 1976 cost for the M113.

The weapons all match costs in PopMec, PopSci, or Field & Stream from 1976.

The commodity prices mostly match up to the modal Indiana prices in 1976...

I genuinely think they weren't actually just making it up in a lot of cases. They were simply statting it out.

 

[snrdg082102]

Morning PDT GypsyComet and aramis,

Thank you both for filling in the details about the game characteristics for the Traveller vehicles. Now I'll have start looking for copies of Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Field and Stream, and other material from 1976.

 

[snrdg082102]

Morning Piper,

I may have discovered a bit of errata for the Consolidated Equipment List (CEL) you hooked me up with.

On CEL p. 2/1 or per Acrobat Reader p. 19 there are seven entries of (Price as corrected by B4 43).

Checking out the note on p. 43 of CT LBB 4 Mercenary 1978 1st printing is a section with the title of "Notes on Prices and Tech Levels" appears to make corrections to CT LBB 3 Worlds and Adventures based on the directions to reverse mesh and cloth armor on the Technology Levels Table on Book 3 p. 10. Going back to the other information the prices for the LBB 3 vehicles need to be corrected.

Checking CT LBB 3 1977/1981 2e the Technology Levels Chart is on pp. 14-15 not on p. 10.

Checking Consolidated CT Errata v1.1 p. 14 the there is an entry for CT LBB 3 Mercenary 1978 1st printing on p. 43 stating the "Notes on Prices and Tech Levels" refers to CT LBB 3 1977.

I have a copy of CT LBB 3 1977 9th printing which shows the price for a ground car, p. 16, as CR 40,000 correcting the price per LBB 4 1978 the ground car's price is Cr4,000. The air/raft's price in CT LBB 3 1977, p. 17, is CR 6,000,000 adjusted to Cr600,000.

The Consolidated Equipment List appears to have used entries from CT LBB 3 1977/1981 2nd edition and applied the note from CT LBB 4 1978.

 

[Piper]

There may very well be more errata than that. I didn't/can't check it for accuracy as I don't have all of the listed sources.

The site hasn't been updated since 2012, but you could try passing your findings on to Peter Vernon.

It looks as though you may be creating your own list after all. I haven't come across anything that looks comprehensive for carried craft and vehicles for CT.

How comprehensive a list are you planning? Are you wanting to include craft like the Azhanti High Lightning fuel tenders and such or just standard commercial designs?

 

[snrdg082102]

Afternoon PDT Piper,

There may very well be more errata than that. I didn't/can't check it for accuracy as I don't have all of the listed sources.

The site hasn't been updated since 2012, but you could try passing your findings on to Peter Vernon.

My check so far was for CT LBB 2 and CT LBB 3 material which has found that the vehicles on CT LBB 2 1977/81 2e p. 23 appear to be covered by the entries found in CT LBB 3 1977/81 2e.

I looked for a way to contact Peter Vernon in the Consolidated Equipment List. The only link I have found takes me to zho.berka.com and still have not found a way to contact Peter Vernon.

It looks as though you may be creating your own list after all. I haven't come across anything that looks comprehensive for carried craft and vehicles for CT.

How comprehensive a list are you planning? Are you wanting to include craft like the Azhanti High Lightning fuel tenders and such or just standard commercial designs?

My project is to get a rough spreadsheet built using CT LBB 5 HG 2e 1980 and CT Adventure 5 TCS 1981 construction sequence. Okay I'm going to have two rough spreadsheets one for hulls >= 100 tons and the other for hulls >=0 and <100 tons. The information in the list will be vehicle name, tons, Price, and Crew. Tech level and passenger capacity are included when they are listed. I fudge the tech levels using either the maneuver drive or power plant number or if the pricing is different bump the level up or down.

The list being created is based on the Ship's Vehicles I'm finding who going through my copy of FFE CT Books 001-008 and Alien Modules 0021-0022 pulling out the vehicles listed in the construction sequences, sub-ordinate small craft and big craft. The Azhanti High Lightnings (AHL) fuel shuttle makes the list. So far the only big craft I've found is the AHL's 400 ton fuel shuttle, which indicates the list will expand at some point.

Any ship's vehicle that has the same characteristics as the first one I found will not be included in the list but will be noted after the first source.
For example the Air/Raft is found in both CT Book 2 1977/1981 2e p. 23 and CT LBB 2 1977/1981 2e p. 23. My note for the source is Bk. 2-81 p. 23; Bk 3-81 p. 23

Thank you again for the help.