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CT Only: Fixing the Type S (Sulieman)

That would be DUMB for a wilderness explorer/surveyor.
Remember, the Scout/Courier is the "bush plane" starship of the IISS, in the "go anywhere, do anything" tradition. Bare minimum, the landing gear ought to be able to handle unprepared terrain at austere landing sites landings (grassy field, dirt strip, etc.). Perfectly fair for "swampy ground" to still be a problem though.
Cinema over physics.

Canon has starships massing 10 tons per Td. Most of the weight is carried by the rear skids, so figure about 500 tons on each 9m^2 skid. Converting to archaic US units, that comes out to about 100,000 lbs per ft^2.

Battle tanks run to about 12 lbs per ft^2. (mathscinotes.com)

Automobiles, about 5000 lbs per ft^2. (Tires have far smaller contact patches.)

This is generally ignored for SF art. The handwave is to leave the antigravity drives on....
 
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What was that for? Silly me went in my head and said "Ice landing" but then "No, idiot, they'd use skis".
Heavy loads off unimproved fields (dirt runways), probably.

Would require landing without executing a landing flare (which would shred the aft end of the air cushion skirt -- and maybe the underside of the plane -- if you did flare).

Then there's the problem of ground handling at speeds below where the rudder becomes effective. Differential throttle on early turboprops? Fun.
 
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Canon has starships massing 10 tons per Td
Note that 10,000kg per 14m3 is a density of lower than water (which would be 14,000kg per 14m3).
"Steel is cheap and air is free" being an old axiom of (wet) navy ship building.
Most of the weight is carried by the rear skids, so figure about 500 tons on each 9m^2 skid.
You're ignoring the front skid.
Let's say for the sake of illustration purposes, that the skids are all 3m x 3m contact patches (2x2 deck squares) ... and there's 3 of them.
That's 27m2 of contact patch(es) with the ground.
1,000,000kg (100 dTons) / 27m2 = 37,037kg per m2 ground pressure

Now, let's change the dimensions of those landing gear skids and see what happens. :unsure:

Let's say for the sake of illustration purposes, that the skids are all 4.5m x 4.5m contact patches (3x3 deck squares) ... and there's 3 of them.
That's 60.75m2 of contact patch(es) with the ground.
1,000,000kg (100 dTons) / 60.75m2 = 16,491kg per m2 ground pressure

So better, but still pretty high for austere unprepared field conditions when needing to land in the wilderness. :cautious:
So let's change our assumptions again.

Let's assume that the landing gear IS NOT just a single plate that gets pushed down out of the hull at the ground (3m x 3m hole in the hull means a 3m x 3m contact patch on the terrain). Let's do a little bit of engineering and have the landing gear "unfold like a box" when it gets extended. Basically think of a D6 cube that unfolds the 4 sides after exiting the hull so as to flatten against the terrain surface in a cruciform cross of 5 contact patches (fore, aft, port, starboard plus center)

For simplicity, let's assume that the landing gear extends down out of a 3m x 3m hole in the hull on beefy self shortening oleo shock struts with actuators unfolding the "sides of the box" for each landing skid so as to normalize and spread the ground pressure more efficiently/effectively when setting down on unprepared ground.

Let's say for the sake of illustration purposes, that the skids all extend through 3m x 3m doors in the dorsal outer bulkead skin of the ship (2x2 deck squares) ... and there's still 3 skids ... but each of those skids "unfold" into an array of five 3m x 3m contact patches in a cruciform array for each landing skid. All liftoffs from and landings onto terrain are intended to be VTOL, so no need for wheels to make rolling CTOL maneuvers (no aerodynamic lifting body action going on with the hull shape either, so zero horizontal velocity VTOL landings it is).
That "folding" landing gear now adds up to 9m2 * 5 * 3 = 135m2
1,000,000kg (100 dTons) / 135m2 = 7407kg per m2 ground pressure

If I'm doing my math right 🤞 ... the average human in flat shoes (standing still, on both feet) has a ground pressure of ~17,000kg per m2 ... because 1 kPa (1000 pascals of pressure) equals 1000kg/m2. The average walking human would double that ground pressure up to ~34,000kg per m2, which you'll notice is suspiciously close to my first calculation for a triplet of 3m x 3m contact patches (27m2 in total) yielding a ground pressure of 37,037kg per m2.

In other words, even the minimalist option of using only 12 deck squares (3 sets of 2x2) for landing gear, with no folding articulations involved, is good enough to land on ground that is firm enough for a human to walk on. Add fold out articulated segments to those landing gear pads controlled by actuators to help spread out the load and you can quickly bring that ground pressure down below that of a human foot.



So now let's say that the cruciform folding landing gear is the way to go, but the fold out extensions only reach 1.5m away from the central 3m x 3m square contact patch of the main skid in the center. So now you've got 4 leaves of contact plates that are 1.5m x 3. which unfold in all 4 directions around the primary skid and landing strut.
1.5 * 3 * 4 + 3 * 3 = 27m2 per landing leg * 3 legs = 81m2 of contact patches with the ground
1,000,000kg (100 dTons) / 81m2 = 12,346kg per m2 ground pressure

By my calculations, that 12,346kg per m2 ground pressure would be LOWER THAN the 13,800kg per m2 reported as the ground pressure for wheeled ATVs on Wikipedia ... which I figure ought to be "good enough for exploratory work" under most IISS circumstances if a Scout/Courier needs to "park" somewhere under gravity conditions on a world surface. The extra bits of articulation around each landing strut will also have the added benefit of acting like "toes" surrounding the "heel" of the main landing strut column helping to stabilize the ship when making contact with the ground during VTOL maneuvers. The outer "leaves" of the articulated landing gear could be angled downwards slightly past "flat" with the main central skid for a kind of "landing claw" position to help absorb the initial contact and "feel the ground" below before putting the full weight of the starship onto the main contact patches at the center of each landing strut.

Needless to say, I think this style of "folding landing claws" makes the most sense, both from a design aesthetic and from a practical engineering viewpoint.



Or it could all just be repulsor lift grav plated magic boogaloo ... :rolleyes:
 
You're ignoring the front skid.
Not ignoring it -- it just won't be supporting much weight. Not going to get into the relative mass of the hull vs the drives and whatnot, but look at where the bulk of the ship is, and where the rear landing gear are.

Also, a standing person in flat shoes exerts 350 lbs/ft^2. (Wikipedia: Ground Pressure).

1 pound per square foot ≈ 0.04788 kilopascals.
 
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You minimize walls, floors and bulkheads.

Once you have empty holds and tanks, the spacecraft would be mostly empty.
Yeah. And compared to the canon description of the characteristics of hull material (about 1" thick steel, but it's high tech so not quite that heavy), only that and the drives matter for rough approximations.
 
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Sure, you can have fold-out landing gear feet, and it would actually help somewhat. It's still just hanging a lampshade on the problem* though. (By contrast, 3m square landing feet are just handwaving it.** :) )

In fairness, the pair of 3m square boxes are probably just the cross-section of the gear wells at the same height as the deck, and they're bigger below the level of the floor.


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* We know there's a problem, you know there's one too, but we made the effort -- ok?

** What problem? Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
 
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Don't know, but yeah it's a paper airplane without a keel. :)

<prints deck plan, folds accordingly, tosses it onto the gaming table from across the room.>
"Here's your ship."
..... and now I have another project.

And a moment of silence in memory of Mad Magazine's Al Jaffee and his "Fold-in" back covers. (Wikipedia)
 
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Heavy loads off unimproved fields (dirt runways), probably.

Would require landing without executing a landing flare (which would shred the aft end of the air cushion skirt -- and maybe the underside of the plane -- if you did flare).

Then there's the problem of ground handling at speeds below where the rudder becomes effective. Differential throttle on early turboprops? Fun.
 
The Project I was talking about, above:
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Alas, it's (literal) cut-and-paste. The part with the outer forward corners of the cargo hold and air/raft bay, landing gear, and front part of the common area will end up with white diagonal strips instead, because they're in the unprintable sheet margins.

I've got scans, but they'll need to be seriously adjusted to get them to fit a sheet of paper correctly.

As you might expect, it's a half-decent paper airplane.
 
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