K'kree exterminate xenomammalian life forms who won't go total vegan. It's in a bit from JTAS.
General K'kree Diet
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Hmm, do they have mammalian milk? If not I could see that dairy is just as much an abomination especially if meat eaters partake.
So otherwise vegetarian spacecows get genocided?
Condottiere
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Past(e)urized
Krikkitone
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Kkree objection to meat eating has nothing to do with animal welfare. They don’t like being eaten and extended that. How much that applies to animal byproducts or decomposers may depend on variable interpretation. However, if the Kkree apply even their basic principles, then they need to commit ecocide on the basic level…ie a Kkree ecosystem should consist of nothing but plants, people and microbes. Any herbivores would have to be exterminated as pests once their predators are eliminated. (possibly large “work” animals…although less likely on a high TL Kkree world.
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Straybow
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The K'Kree tried to exterminate carnivore and omnivore species on one of their early expansion planets. They used tailored viruses. The first disaster was when a few species of tiny omnivores had been overlooked, they quickly adapted to fill many ecological niches. Insect-like analogs feasted on the corpses of the eliminated species and spread everywhere, endangering not only crops but K'Kree themselves. The ecological disaster continued with plant species formerly kept in check by omnivore species spreading wildly and smothering imported crop species. They even tried introducing omnivore species from other planets, which yielded comically similar results.
After generations of back-and-forth genetic war against the biome, the Council finally admitted defeat. The settlements were abandoned. Science teams tried to use cloning to revive some of the eliminated species. Success was very limited. The Council was divided between those who wanted to scorch all life from the planet surface and transplant their own homeworld's biome, and those who wanted to leave it as an ongoing experiment.
In the ended the Council allowed the planet to continue as a giant experimental program. They had found more suitable planets for colonies, and there was no guarantee that K'Kree biome would thrive.
The K'Kree regularly eliminate large predators on settled planets, but leave the rest of the critters alone to do their ecological jobs.
After generations of back-and-forth genetic war against the biome, the Council finally admitted defeat. The settlements were abandoned. Science teams tried to use cloning to revive some of the eliminated species. Success was very limited. The Council was divided between those who wanted to scorch all life from the planet surface and transplant their own homeworld's biome, and those who wanted to leave it as an ongoing experiment.
In the ended the Council allowed the planet to continue as a giant experimental program. They had found more suitable planets for colonies, and there was no guarantee that K'Kree biome would thrive.
The K'Kree regularly eliminate large predators on settled planets, but leave the rest of the critters alone to do their ecological jobs.
Timerover51
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That is a very reasonably approach to the K'kree expanding onto other planets.
GypsyComet
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And yet they succeed on many other worlds that likely had extensive native life. I think the modern K'kree are extremely talented at Kiruforming, but have certainly made mistakes. They had a head start for two reasons, in my opinion. The nova that reset their ecosystem accidentally resulted in a fault tolerant biosphere, so when the K'kree later exterminated their carnivores, the results were stable. That nova also scrubbed many of the systems around them (but not all, as it wasn't right next to them at the time) providing blank slates for them to import the Kirur biosphere to. So there is a large area that now has Kirur lifeforms exclusively.
The problems began when they tried modification of existing biospheres. Some work and some don't, resulting in a modern approach that isn't afraid to raze a world to bedrock and restart, but which will try other approaches first.
The problems began when they tried modification of existing biospheres. Some work and some don't, resulting in a modern approach that isn't afraid to raze a world to bedrock and restart, but which will try other approaches first.
mike wightman
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The K'kree are probably the worse thought out Alien race.
So they are intelligent, cultured, have laws, and yet are genocidal toward meat eaters? They can not overcome their instincts?
So they kill them all, which makes them worse than the meat eaters.
They ruin the ecology of whole worlds by killing off predators, and in order to keep the native flora and fauna in check they themselves will have to kill the animals kept in check by said predators, which makes them worse.
Either they are in complete racial hypocrisy or this is another example of Imperial perspective propaganda unreliable narration.
Which, unfortunately, the fanbase has taken at face value and made worse.
So they are intelligent, cultured, have laws, and yet are genocidal toward meat eaters? They can not overcome their instincts?
So they kill them all, which makes them worse than the meat eaters.
They ruin the ecology of whole worlds by killing off predators, and in order to keep the native flora and fauna in check they themselves will have to kill the animals kept in check by said predators, which makes them worse.
Either they are in complete racial hypocrisy or this is another example of Imperial perspective propaganda unreliable narration.
Which, unfortunately, the fanbase has taken at face value and made worse.
Krikkitone
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Genocidal towards meat eaters is their culture and laws (see humans for examples of highly advanced, civilized genocidal cultures). They object to the concept of eating animals, not to killing them. Jews and Muslims are just fine with killing wild boar that are pests.
Their advanced culture lets them overcome their base instincts to run away from predators and do the civilized thing (extermination) instead.
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Condottiere
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Bash or dash.
Timerover51
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I always find it amazing how a thread can develop when I was just trying to figure out what to feed a K'kree trading delegation at a formal dinner.
mike wightman
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Grilled Alpaca, Llama tenderloin, and a Sheep brain scuffle for dessert.
How long have you been a member here?
Timerover51
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For 11 years, but it is still amazing.How long have you been a member here?
GypsyComet
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Both. Definitely both.
And also their own internal propaganda. The K'kree will tell a visitor (to their space or one of their many spy bases... er, Embassies) "facts" about their space and their culture that are partly or entirely untrue. Some of them even believe what they say, at least at first.
But only a small minority of Embassy staff ever truly go home again. They can't. Travel, as the old Terran saying goes, is broadening, and the Herd is not a good place for the broadened.
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Timerover51
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That has been so tempting.
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Condottiere
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Culture shock.
You're misconstruing their goals. There's no hypocrisy.
It's not altruism towards all herbivores. Their altruism ends at "useful enough to us to be allowed to live."
Their objective is to never be predated upon again. They clearly will use any tool they can to do that.
They won't preserve anything that provides direct food competition.
They won't preserve anything that tries to eat them.
They won't preserve anything predatory or omnivorous if it's a credible threat to them; if it's intelligent enough to be useful, it may get converted. Voluntarily or not. If only one in a hundred can survive on a K'kree imposed vegan diet, the K'kree will let the rest die. And encourage the few who can make it to breed,.. and again let diet cull the genetically incapable.
there's no hypocrisy - only self-interest and a dangerous level of paranoia.
