far-trader
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Yes, that's the one, thanks much Patron Zero
I thought it might have been Andrew's work but do you think I could find it :nonono:
(I must have been blind, I'm sure I bookmarked his site ages ago, hey! Updates! Nice...
)
Leif Ericson Scoutship
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Yes, that's the one, thanks much Patron Zero
I thought it might have been Andrew's work but do you think I could find it :nonono:
(I must have been blind, I'm sure I bookmarked his site ages ago, hey! Updates! Nice...
)
The Oz
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I figured there had to be reasons why laser bay weapons weren't very popular in higher-tech designs, so I built in some disadvantages to them. I intended the laser bays to be alternatives/additions to low-tech (TL7-9) designs.
It's all IMTU, anyway. YMMV.
Laser weapons
Don't take this the wrong way. I really like the fact you put the effort into this crucial element for YTU. I have numerous home rules so I can appreciate the effort.
I was more in favor of the efficiency approach. Lasers are not as efficient in scale as mesons, PAs, etc. However, they provide better range. My concept was less power and damage per tonnage, but good range. Not using lasers after TL13 would be an efficiency preference of the Imperium.
Anyone else have thoughts/experience on this?
Don't take this the wrong way. I really like the fact you put the effort into this crucial element for YTU. I have numerous home rules so I can appreciate the effort.
I was more in favor of the efficiency approach. Lasers are not as efficient in scale as mesons, PAs, etc. However, they provide better range. My concept was less power and damage per tonnage, but good range. Not using lasers after TL13 would be an efficiency preference of the Imperium.
Anyone else have thoughts/experience on this?
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
As Nyrath says, Blender is free (and quite popular). So is Truespace.
http://www.caligari.com/
I picked the Scout 'cos everyone knows it.
I've also heard nice things about Google Sketchup
http://sketchup.google.com/
I haven't used it, but my impression is that while you cannot make images that are as nice as Blender or Truespace, Sketchup is vastly easier to learn.
tools
I thought you we're planning on blasting it a part.
Thanks Andrew and Winchell, more tools. :smirk:
I thought you we're planning on blasting it a part.
Thanks Andrew and Winchell, more tools. :smirk:
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far-trader
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Yep, I fell in love with Sketchup because it was free and had the lowest learning curve I've yet seen for what it can do. I'm not that good but happy with what I can do for my limited investment in time, and I've seen some very nice stuff done with it (possibly with the full package rather than the limited* free one).
* though limited in no real way
A quick sample (not meant to distract from the topic) of a wip from Dart class 50ton Modular Cutter thread (...that I really need to get back to sometime
)Modular Cutter and Module Landed:
...and in xray vision to show the internal layout:
Dart
more wows.... I feel the need to catch up. Would make a nice small craft flight simulator too.Yep, I fell in love with Sketchup because it was free and had the lowest learning curve I've yet seen for what it can do. I'm not that good but happy with what I can do for my limited investment in time, and I've seen some very nice stuff done with it (possibly with the full package rather than the limited* free one).
* though limited in no real way
A quick sample (not meant to distract from the topic) of a wip from Dart class 50ton Modular Cutter thread (...that I really need to get back to sometime
Patron Zero
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Sketchup
Wow far-trader, if that was done in Sketchup I need to take a crash course as my hand drawn deck plans and such look like cave paintings to that very impressive rendering.
Wow far-trader, if that was done in Sketchup I need to take a crash course as my hand drawn deck plans and such look like cave paintings to that very impressive rendering.
Patron Zero
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Quality Sells
Andrew's talent as an illustrator as well as the skills of notable others here at the forum are more than advertisement enough for their resumes in the TU and any other!
Andrew's talent as an illustrator as well as the skills of notable others here at the forum are more than advertisement enough for their resumes in the TU and any other!
captainjack
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Hey ! delighted to find this thread. The Leif has been a love of mine since....oh heck -pre traveller ? I have/had the UFO kit, ordered it from some kind of fanboy/comic tabloid. Coolness to see its got its fans, still.
Winchel's site inspired me to stat it out for HG some time ago -years, really, long before MGT. So, with all due humility, here is the Stat card I developed, based on a 5000 dton interpretation (derived from the 1/500 scale dimensions). Its a bit low on storage for consumables, but I assume that some of that is included in the stateroom allotment -U-Boat style -gives a tighter fit, but more supplies. It's neither fast (M2) or agile (0) but it does have a good range (J4).
Ship: Leif Erikson
Class: exploration Cruiser
Type: Explorer
Architect: Remulak-Lamaar
Tech Level: 15
Cargo: 66.500 Passengers: 5 Emergency Low: 15 Fuel: 2,200.000 EP: 200.000 Agility: 0 Marines: 21
Craft: 1 x 0T SX -In Flight Bay 150, 1 x 0T SC-In Flight Bay 100, 2 x 0T Cutter-In Flight Bay 100, 1 x 20T Gig-In Flight Bay 20, 4 x 30T Cutter Modules, 2 x 10T ATV ( 1 in Module), 2 x 4T None, 2 x 10T Ftr
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Backups: 1 x 1G Maneuver Drive 1 x Jump 1 Drive 1 x Factor 1 Power Plant 1 x Model/2fib Computer 1 x Bridge
Architects Fee: MCr 35.890 Cost in Quantity: MCr 2,871.197
Detailed Description
HULL
5,000.000 tons standard, 70,000.000 cubic meters, Needle/Wedge Configuration
CREW
13 Officers, 92 Ratings, 21 Marines
ENGINEERING
Jump-4, 2G Manuever, Power plant-4, 200.000 EP, Agility 0
1 Jump-1 Backup, 11G Manuever Backup, 1Power plant-1 Backup
AVIONICS
Bridge, Model/8fib Computer
1 Backup Bridge, 1 Model/2fib Backup Computer
HARDPOINTS
1 100-ton bay, 2 50-ton bays, 20 Hardpoints
ARMAMENT
1 100-ton Particle Accelerator Bay (Factor-9), 1 50-ton Missile Bay (Factor-9), 6 Triple Beam Laser Turrets organised into 4 Batteries (Factor-4), 8 Dual Fusion Gun Turrets organised into 2 Batteries (Factor-6)
DEFENCES
1 50-ton Repulsor Bay (Factor-5), 6 Single Sandcaster Turrets organised into 3 Batteries (Factor-3), Nuclear Damper (Factor-4), Meson Screen (Factor-3), Armoured Hull (Factor-2)
CRAFT
In Flight Bay: 1 150.000 ton SX -In Flight Bay (Crew of 4 bunk aboard, Cost of MCr 0.000), 1 100.000 ton SC-In Flight Bay 100 (Crew of 2, bunk aboard, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 50.000 ton Cutter 100s (Crew of 1, Cost of MCr 0.000), 1 20.000 ton Gig- 20 (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 4 30.000 ton Cutter Moduless (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 10.000 ton ATV ( 1 in Module) (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 4.000 ton A/R (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 10.000 ton Ftrs (Crew of 1, Cost of MCr 0.000)
FUEL
2,200.000 Tons Fuel (4 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant
MISCELLANEOUS
71.0 Staterooms, 15 Low Berths, 15 Emergency Low Berths, 5 High Passengers, 66.500 Tons Cargo
USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
1 Scout Sensors (15.000 tons, Crew 2, 5.000 Energy Points, Cost MCr 0.000), 1 Flight Bay (488.000 tons, Crew 6, Cost MCr 0.000), 6 Science labs (4.000 tons, Crew 3 +5, Cost MCr 0.000), 3 Fabrication Shops (4.000 tons, Crew 1+1, Cost MCr 0.000), 3 Med Bays (4.000 tons, Crew 2+1, Cost MCr 0.000)
COST
MCr 3,624.886 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 35.890), MCr 2,871.197 in Quantity
CONSTRUCTION TIME
148 Weeks Singly, 118 Weeks in Quantity
COMMENTS
The Laser emitter from the AMT model is interpreted as a 100Dt Particle Bay; the other main weapon is a missle bay which doubles a as a brobe launcher. The turret arrangements are oriented towards point-defence rather than combat.
The marine detachment provides the Gig, ATV and A/raft pilots, as well as fusion gun turret control.
The scouts, cutters, fighters and gig are all stored in the 488 ton flight bay - thus no tonnage is allocated for them -the 488 dT is taken off the top; crew includes science and flightdeck crew, plus some extras for support . A "marine" detachment - say two heavy squads + a Lt. ) for redshirty goodness.
The SX type scout is a 150 ton rifter (double jump-2) variant; the SC is a standard model. Crews of these two mostly berths aboard.
The fighters are a semi-standard TL14 10dton model - they double as sensor/exploration platforms or interceptors depending on loadout.
The two cutters have one passenger module, and one exploration module.
Four extra modules are carried , (fuel, ATV, Passenger, base).
There is room to upgrade the ships boat to a launch or pinnace ; a third cutter can be added, but space becomes extremely tight on the flight deck.
It has a monster oversized computer ( for Science !) and a full backup suite of computer, bridge, and factor 1 drives and Power.
Costs do not include small craft , vehicles or subships. I got lazy, it would seem.
Winchel's site inspired me to stat it out for HG some time ago -years, really, long before MGT. So, with all due humility, here is the Stat card I developed, based on a 5000 dton interpretation (derived from the 1/500 scale dimensions). Its a bit low on storage for consumables, but I assume that some of that is included in the stateroom allotment -U-Boat style -gives a tighter fit, but more supplies. It's neither fast (M2) or agile (0) but it does have a good range (J4).
Ship: Leif Erikson
Class: exploration Cruiser
Type: Explorer
Architect: Remulak-Lamaar
Tech Level: 15
Code:
[b] USP
EX-E1424H3-233405-46909-0 MCr 3,588.996 5 KTons
Bat Bear 3 1 421 1 Crew: 126
Bat 3 1 421 1 TL: 15
[/b]Craft: 1 x 0T SX -In Flight Bay 150, 1 x 0T SC-In Flight Bay 100, 2 x 0T Cutter-In Flight Bay 100, 1 x 20T Gig-In Flight Bay 20, 4 x 30T Cutter Modules, 2 x 10T ATV ( 1 in Module), 2 x 4T None, 2 x 10T Ftr
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Backups: 1 x 1G Maneuver Drive 1 x Jump 1 Drive 1 x Factor 1 Power Plant 1 x Model/2fib Computer 1 x Bridge
Architects Fee: MCr 35.890 Cost in Quantity: MCr 2,871.197
Detailed Description
HULL
5,000.000 tons standard, 70,000.000 cubic meters, Needle/Wedge Configuration
CREW
13 Officers, 92 Ratings, 21 Marines
ENGINEERING
Jump-4, 2G Manuever, Power plant-4, 200.000 EP, Agility 0
1 Jump-1 Backup, 11G Manuever Backup, 1Power plant-1 Backup
AVIONICS
Bridge, Model/8fib Computer
1 Backup Bridge, 1 Model/2fib Backup Computer
HARDPOINTS
1 100-ton bay, 2 50-ton bays, 20 Hardpoints
ARMAMENT
1 100-ton Particle Accelerator Bay (Factor-9), 1 50-ton Missile Bay (Factor-9), 6 Triple Beam Laser Turrets organised into 4 Batteries (Factor-4), 8 Dual Fusion Gun Turrets organised into 2 Batteries (Factor-6)
DEFENCES
1 50-ton Repulsor Bay (Factor-5), 6 Single Sandcaster Turrets organised into 3 Batteries (Factor-3), Nuclear Damper (Factor-4), Meson Screen (Factor-3), Armoured Hull (Factor-2)
CRAFT
In Flight Bay: 1 150.000 ton SX -In Flight Bay (Crew of 4 bunk aboard, Cost of MCr 0.000), 1 100.000 ton SC-In Flight Bay 100 (Crew of 2, bunk aboard, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 50.000 ton Cutter 100s (Crew of 1, Cost of MCr 0.000), 1 20.000 ton Gig- 20 (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 4 30.000 ton Cutter Moduless (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 10.000 ton ATV ( 1 in Module) (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 4.000 ton A/R (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000), 2 10.000 ton Ftrs (Crew of 1, Cost of MCr 0.000)
FUEL
2,200.000 Tons Fuel (4 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant
MISCELLANEOUS
71.0 Staterooms, 15 Low Berths, 15 Emergency Low Berths, 5 High Passengers, 66.500 Tons Cargo
USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
1 Scout Sensors (15.000 tons, Crew 2, 5.000 Energy Points, Cost MCr 0.000), 1 Flight Bay (488.000 tons, Crew 6, Cost MCr 0.000), 6 Science labs (4.000 tons, Crew 3 +5, Cost MCr 0.000), 3 Fabrication Shops (4.000 tons, Crew 1+1, Cost MCr 0.000), 3 Med Bays (4.000 tons, Crew 2+1, Cost MCr 0.000)
COST
MCr 3,624.886 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 35.890), MCr 2,871.197 in Quantity
CONSTRUCTION TIME
148 Weeks Singly, 118 Weeks in Quantity
COMMENTS
The Laser emitter from the AMT model is interpreted as a 100Dt Particle Bay; the other main weapon is a missle bay which doubles a as a brobe launcher. The turret arrangements are oriented towards point-defence rather than combat.
The marine detachment provides the Gig, ATV and A/raft pilots, as well as fusion gun turret control.
The scouts, cutters, fighters and gig are all stored in the 488 ton flight bay - thus no tonnage is allocated for them -the 488 dT is taken off the top; crew includes science and flightdeck crew, plus some extras for support . A "marine" detachment - say two heavy squads + a Lt. ) for redshirty goodness.
The SX type scout is a 150 ton rifter (double jump-2) variant; the SC is a standard model. Crews of these two mostly berths aboard.
The fighters are a semi-standard TL14 10dton model - they double as sensor/exploration platforms or interceptors depending on loadout.
The two cutters have one passenger module, and one exploration module.
Four extra modules are carried , (fuel, ATV, Passenger, base).
There is room to upgrade the ships boat to a launch or pinnace ; a third cutter can be added, but space becomes extremely tight on the flight deck.
It has a monster oversized computer ( for Science !) and a full backup suite of computer, bridge, and factor 1 drives and Power.
Costs do not include small craft , vehicles or subships. I got lazy, it would seem.
Sketchup is very nice, and availble free for mac X 10.3+ and win XP+.
It's also quite easy.
interesting approach
CaptainJack,
Glad you published some interesting ideas. Winchell has some good things on projectrho about it. The trek versions and the book versions. I was thinking TL 15 was too high for the book versions.
The phaser or laser was a big thing. Standard crew 87. Oz had a great idea but I cannot fit his 500dt laser bay into a 5k cruiser and meet any other criteria. So I've been looking at different specs.
******
Anyone know the highest tech for the Rule of Man? Anyhow, I thought she'd be new Armour tech like 12. Superdense comes around which explains the forward shield on some versions.
******
Andrew, Winchell, and Far Trader (everyone else doing designs), which env is better for doing modelling (mac or wintel)? Or doesn't it matter. I bought campaign cartographer for star grids and deck plans not long ago but what a WOW factor 3d modelling brings to the table.
CaptainJack,
Glad you published some interesting ideas. Winchell has some good things on projectrho about it. The trek versions and the book versions. I was thinking TL 15 was too high for the book versions.
The phaser or laser was a big thing. Standard crew 87. Oz had a great idea but I cannot fit his 500dt laser bay into a 5k cruiser and meet any other criteria. So I've been looking at different specs.
******
Anyone know the highest tech for the Rule of Man? Anyhow, I thought she'd be new Armour tech like 12. Superdense comes around which explains the forward shield on some versions.
******
Andrew, Winchell, and Far Trader (everyone else doing designs), which env is better for doing modelling (mac or wintel)? Or doesn't it matter. I bought campaign cartographer for star grids and deck plans not long ago but what a WOW factor 3d modelling brings to the table.
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
The ROM were about TL12-13.
The best platform is the one you have! Many programs are available on both.
The best platform is the one you have! Many programs are available on both.
computers...argghhh
Was about to do a computer update... thought I'd ask. Presently, my laptop is a tabletop at best.:rofl: But that is for a different thread.
Was about to do a computer update... thought I'd ask. Presently, my laptop is a tabletop at best.:rofl: But that is for a different thread.
spinwardpirate
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Thanks for this thread! Not only do I love Traveller, but I love the LE too. To see them in the same context, along with Mr Boulton's renderings and comments by Mr Chung... you folks have just made my day!
far-trader
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spinwardpirate
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Thanks!
I have posted here once or twice in the past, but what happened to those posts... I have no idea.
Btw, I love deckplans too! As you might suspect, from the pirate part of my handle.
I have posted here once or twice in the past, but what happened to those posts... I have no idea.
Btw, I love deckplans too! As you might suspect, from the pirate part of my handle.
Over at Starship Modeler, a gentleman named Ed Holt is working on an (expensive) resin model kit of a re-vamped Leif Ericson, called the "Columbus". You can see some works in progress pictures here:
http://commiesmodeling.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=46&g2_itemId=5542
I have some earlier images of the build here:
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/model.html#plastic
http://commiesmodeling.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=46&g2_itemId=5542
I have some earlier images of the build here:
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/model.html#plastic
