Need six freighters

[rancke]

My copy of High Guard/2e has been AWOL for several months now. Would someone do me a favor and design six 1000T freighters with respectively jump-1, jump-2, jump-3, jump-4, jump-5, and jump-6? Just freight, no passengers.


Hans

 

[far-trader]

At what TL? Minimum for jump drives?

What hull type? Streamlined? Unstreamlined? Cheapest (dispersed)?

What computer? Minimum for jump drive?

No weapons I presume.

Staterooms at 1 per crewperson or double occupancy?

 

[OIT]

TL ?
Streamlining?
Same amount/displacement of small craft on each?
Any other design requirements or just max cargo?

 

[far-trader]

OIT and I jumped at the same time. I'll hack them out while I have lunch based on presumptions. If they don't work for you Hans OIT can cover them, or I'll get back to them later.

 

[OIT]

OIT and I jumped at the same time. I'll hack them out while I have lunch based on presumptions. If they don't work for you Hans OIT can cover them, or I'll get back to them later.

OK, thanks. You've got it.

 

[far-trader]

Presumptions:

Cheapest Hull - Dispersed
Lowest TL by Jump Drive
Lowest Computer by Jump Drive
Book 5 Crew Single Occupancy Full Staterooms
No Extras - All Cargo

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Ship: 1K J1 Freighter

USP F-A711122-000000-00000-0 MCr 271.500 1 KTons
Crew: 15
TL: 9

Cargo: 738.000 Fuel: 110.000

9 Officers, 6 Ratings
15.0 Staterooms

MCr 274.215 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 2.715)
MCr 217.200 in Quantity

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Ship: 1K J2 Freighter

USP F-A721222-000000-00000-0 MCr 402.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 11

Cargo: 584.000 Fuel: 220.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms

MCr 406.020 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 4.020)
MCr 321.600 in Quantity

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Ship: 1K J3 Freighter

USP F-A7313S2-000000-00000-0 MCr 541.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 12

Cargo: 434.000 Fuel: 330.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms

MCr 546.410 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 5.410)
MCr 432.800 in Quantity

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Ship: 1K J4 Freighter

USP F-A741442-000000-00000-0 MCr 563.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 13

Cargo: 322.000 Fuel: 440.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms, 322.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 568.630 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 5.630)
MCr 450.400 in Quantity

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Ship: 1K J5 Freighter

USP F-A751552-000000-00000-0 MCr 678.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 14

Cargo: 181.000 Fuel: 550.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms

MCr 684.780 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 6.780)
MCr 542.400 in Quantity

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Ship: 1K J6 Freighter

USP F-A761662-000000-00000-0 MCr 608.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 15

Cargo: 99.000 Fuel: 660.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms, 99.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 614.080 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 6.080)
MCr 486.400 in Quantity

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All designs valid using HG Shipyard Software v1.13

 

[E.D.Quibell]

All designs valid using HG Shipyard Software v1.13

Dan

HGS went to up to at least v1.14build23 (because that's what I have). It's not likely to change these designs because they are the basic stuff, but still if you can find the nesxt release it will have a bunch of bugs fixed.

Regards,

Ewan

 

[flykiller]

ics jewell is 1000 dtons exactly, modular and configurable for passengers and/or cargo, J1 to J4. ct, bk2. not a good-looking or popular boat, but it's there. see the link in my sig below.

 

[rancke]

Presumptions:

Cheapest Hull - Dispersed
Lowest TL by Jump Drive
Lowest Computer by Jump Drive
Book 5 Crew Single Occupancy Full Staterooms
No Extras - All Cargo

Thanks. That's exactly what I was after, except possibly the TL -- I wanted the cheapest available at TL15. If there's any difference, of which I'm not sure. Is a TL15 jump-1 design cheaper than a TL9?

Anyway, thanks a lot.


Hans

 

[rancke]

ics jewell is 1000 dtons exactly, modular and configurable for passengers and/or cargo, J1 to J4. ct, bk2. not a good-looking or popular boat, but it's there. see the link in my sig below.

Thanks anyway, but Book 2 designs are no good to me. It has to be HG.


Hans

 

[far-trader]

Thanks. That's exactly what I was after, except possibly the TL -- I wanted the cheapest available at TL15. If there's any difference, of which I'm not sure. Is a TL15 jump-1 design cheaper than a TL9?

Anyway, thanks a lot.


Hans

You're welcome

TL15 will be cheaper economically than the lower TL versions at the Powerplant breakpoints. Powerplant is smaller and cheaper at the TL13 and TL15 breakpoints.

Busy at the moment but I can rerun them later tonight to compare if nobody beats me to it.

Book 5 crewing is higher than Book 2 (a lot less Officers, a little more Enlisted) and allowable for 1Kton builds unless you need strictly Book 5 facts. It would save some expense and volume taken up by Staterooms. And I'm not too sure about the HGS crewing calcs, I get different numbers for bigger ships when I interpret the rules as written. For this size I think it'll be the same though.

 

[far-trader]

Dan

HGS went to up to at least v1.14build23 (because that's what I have). It's not likely to change these designs because they are the basic stuff, but still if you can find the nesxt release it will have a bunch of bugs fixed.

Regards,

Ewan

Thanks Ewan.

I have that version or close to it around here somewhere but I stopped using it for some reason. A bug or discrepency, I can't recall. Istr it worked ok for T20 builds but something was messed up with the HG side. Anyway, for whatever the reason I went back to this previous one that seemed mostly fixed so it's the one that was handy. There might be a mixed turret issue with this build iirc but not much else. And being no weapons were involved I wasn't worried

 

[far-trader]

Quick rebuild for you, same presumptions as before except all at TL 15

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Ship: TLF 1K J1 Freighter

USP F-A711122-000000-00000-0 MCr 211.500 1 Ktons

Crew: 15
TL: 15

Cargo: 758.000 Fuel: 110.000

9 Officers, 6 Ratings
15.0 Staterooms, 758.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 213.615 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 2.115)
MCr 169.200 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J2 Freighter

USP F-A721222-000000-00000-0 MCr 281.500 1 KTons
Crew: 15
TL: 15

Cargo: 628.000 Fuel: 220.000

9 Officers, 6 Ratings
15.0 Staterooms, 628.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 284.315 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 2.815)
MCr 225.200 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J3 Freighter

USP F-A7313S2-000000-00000-0 MCr 361.000 1 KTons
Crew: 15
TL: 15

Cargo: 494.000 Fuel: 330.000
9 Officers, 6 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms, 494.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 364.610 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 3.610)
MCr 288.800 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J4 Freighter

USP F-A741442-000000-00000-0 MCr 443.000 1 Ktons
Crew: 16
TL: 15

Cargo: 362.000 Fuel: 440.000 EP:

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms, 362.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 447.430 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 4.430)
MCr 354.400 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J5 Freighter

USP F-A751552-000000-00000-0 MCr 528.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 15

Cargo: 231.000 Fuel: 550.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms, 231.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 533.280 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 5.280)
MCr 422.400 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J6 Freighter (no change)

USP F-A761662-000000-00000-0 MCr 608.000 1 KTons
Crew: 16
TL: 15

Cargo: 99.000 Fuel: 660.000

9 Officers, 7 Ratings
16.0 Staterooms, 99.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 614.080 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 6.080)
MCr 486.400 in Quantity

 

[far-trader]

And because strictly speaking "If the ship is 1,000 tons or under, then the rules stated in Book 2 should be followed." for crewing (per HG2 pg32), here's the same TL15 set with Book 2 crewing rates, which come in a little cheaper (fewer crew) and with more freight volume (fewer staterooms).

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Ship: TLF 1K J1 Freighter B2 Crew

USP F-A711121-000000-00000-0 MCr 206.500 1 KTons
Crew: 5
TL: 15

Cargo: 798.000 Fuel: 110.000

Pilot, Navigator, 2 Engineers, Medic
5.0 Staterooms, 798.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 208.565 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 2.065)
MCr 165.200 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J2 Freighter B2 Crew

USP F-A721221-000000-00000-0 MCr 276.500 1 KTons
Crew: 5
TL: 15

Cargo: 668.000 Fuel: 220.000

Pilot, Navigator, 2 Engineers, Medic
5.0 Staterooms, 668.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 279.265 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 2.765)
MCr 221.200 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J3 Freighter B2 Crew

USP F-A7313S1-000000-00000-0 MCr 356.000 1 KTons
Crew: 6
TL: 15

Cargo: 534.000 Fuel: 330.000

Pilot, Navigator, 3 Engineers, Medic
6.0 Staterooms, 534.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 359.560 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 3.560)
MCr 284.800 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J4 Freighter B2 Crew

USP F-A741441-000000-00000-0 MCr 438.500 1 KTons
Crew: 7
TL: 15

Cargo: 398.000 Fuel: 440.000

Pilot, Navigator, 4 Engineers, Medic
7.0 Staterooms, 398.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 442.885 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 4.385)
MCr 350.800 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J5 Freighter B2 Crew

USP F-A751551-000000-00000-0 MCr 523.500 1 KTons
Crew: 7
TL: 15

Cargo: 267.000 Fuel: 550.000

Pilot, Navigator, 4 Engineers, Medic
7.0 Staterooms, 267.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 528.735 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 5.235)
MCr 418.800 in Quantity

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Ship: TLF 1K J6 Freighter B2 Crew

USP F-A761661-000000-00000-0 MCr 604.000 1 KTons
Crew: 8
TL: 15

Cargo: 131.000 Fuel: 660.000

Pilot, Navigator, 5 Engineers, Medic
8.0 Staterooms, 131.000 Tons Cargo

MCr 610.040 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 6.040)
MCr 483.200 in Quantity

 

[aramis]

Hans,

in the XLS in here are budget boxes with 1 single turret, SO StdSR crewing, 100Td, 200Td, 400Td, 600Td, 800Td, 1000Td, 1200Td, 1400Td, 1600Td,1800Td, and 2000Td; J1 TLs 9/13/15, J2 TL's 11/13/15, J3 TL's 12/13/15, J4 TL's 13/15, J5 TL's 14/15, and J6 TL 15.

No UCP's, but full calcs for volume, crew, and price. (Plus the econ analysis of cost per ton...)