PC Nobles.

[Glen Allen Mcinnes]

If they do use the starports as feifs, who got them after the Norrisian Democracy reforms? The IISS? The Navy? The Local World? Megacorps?

I think the it would be the local athorites along side vearing Reagncy athorities like the ministry of shiping, Reagncy Port Athority Ect. and don't the RQS all working under the umbreler of the Port of <incert ports name hear> Athority.

 

[BetterThanLife]

I wish I could claim credit for it. I paraphrased it from a very old Dragon Magazine. Back when Dragon Magazine did articles on Traveller. They did an article on Noble fiefs and incomes. I wish I could find it.

Originally posted by Evo Plurion:
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Something about a Count or a Duke running about on a Tramp Freighter getting into typical Traveller adventure (My Lord, wouldst thou please pass me thine frag grenade?) just seems wrong.

You know, I've seen this topic for a while now and have never had a look at it, until now. Bhoins, that is one of the funniest things I've read in a very long time.

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[rancke]

Originally posted by Aramis:
GT Nobles won't do anything for me, as I do not, and until there are no other traveller rules in publication, will not, consider GT to be traveller.

Well, that makes any further discussion moot. My approach to the Official Traveller Universe is that it is one single universe, but that the GTU is a parallel universe that is identical to the OTU up until some ill-defined time prior to 1116. That being the case, anything that applies to the GTU prior to 1116 applies with equal force to the OTU of the same date.

I try to see the many different versions of Traveller as different attempts to describe this one universe. Just as Flashing Blades, Lace & Steel, and the first third of GURPS Swashbucklers were different attempts to describe the same place.

T20 is only real traveller in terms of the background...

As far as I am concerned the Imperium background is all that Traveller is. I know that I'm in the minority there (there's a poll that proves that), but that's my entry to Traveller.

But CT, MT, TNE, and T4 are "Fully Authoritative", both rules and filler being canon...

Really? Tell me, how big a percentage of the hull does a jump-4 ship need for its jump fuel? What propulasion system does standard Traveller ships use for maneuver? What are the changes of suffering what kind of damage in a misjump? What was the maximum TL of the Second Imperium? What is the average STR of a beginning character?

No matter what you answer me to each of those questions you're going to go against one or more of those fully authoritative authorities of yours. And if I got hold of my books and actually looked around, I could come up with many more questions like that.


CT, MT, TNE, and T4 are canon, sure. But that doesn't mean that every single sentence printed in every single book can possibly be 'true'.


Hans

 

[aramis]

As I said, hans, some interesting connundra. If pressed, I'd go with the T4 answers in most cases, which for the most part, are similar to CT.

For my own use, MT rules trumps all. For setting, CT and MT. My attitude on TNE and Virus has, if anything, gotten less accepting of it over the years... especially Regency Sourcebook.

But, in CT, MT, and T4, Nobles exist as agents of the imperium and/or individuals rewarded BY the imperium. MT had an apparent soc and real soc hidden in the rules (Your real soc didn't drop by non-payment of upkeep, and your apparent soc going to 11+ didn't make you a noble).

In any case, it is clear that these are Imperial Nobles for Imperial characters, Zhodani Culate nobles for Zhodani, Aslani Nobles for Aslan, etc...

CT also provides that nobles may have feifs . Enfeoffed individuals derive support from same, and some have Huscarles.

I rationalized that the best place for them IMTU was running the interstellar affairs. Which just happened to match up with much published canon.

GURPS traveller, 1st off, has made numerous cumulative dissonances with canon travellers, some as part of its premise, some as part of Loren's view, some (in part) as a result of persons frustrated by MWM failing to make in T4 changes they'd argued for for years... but by becoming authors for GT, they could impose them on the GTU.

mind you, MTU is no less divergent from the OTU than the GTU, but in many very different directions.

And, J4: CT, TNE, T4: 40% for fuel at normal TL's
MT: 25% at normal TL's, less at very high TL's

Maneuver:
CT: not defined, function is identical to MT core rules Reactionless Thruster.
MT, T4: Reactionless thrusters
TNE: HEPlaR
MT, TNE, T4: all have numerous additional thrust systems available. T4 includes HEPlaR. MT has a Fusion Rocket not dissimilar to HEPlaR, but without the technobabble. In all three one can mount multiple maneuver types, too.

But aside from the non-imperially-centered TNE, all the other three clearly provide for Nobles being specific to the Imperial nobility in the rules and in the "fill" texts.

 

[Spud]

IMTU, INI, Imperial Naval Intelligence, is not going to waste all those senior, intelligent, been-there done-that new-minted nobles of demonstrable skill and courage, and _loyalty_, and probably manages an exit interview with same as part of out-processing. Many of these guys/gals will go home, set around the farm, catch a few fish, shoot a few near-moose, and start to get ants in their pants. "The referee should determine ..."

 

[aramis]

Gee, spud, have you been playing IMTU?