General Percept Scale

[creativehum]

You know, I knew what you meant, bj, when you wrote "insensitive to others" -- and I know it didn't have to mean "autistic." There are plenty of people wandering this world right now that are insensitive to others on a daily basis, and they are never diagnosed with a medical condition. And probably don't have a medical condition other than "this type of person."

Now, I have no particular interest in this project -- but I wanted to post to say around this forum people showing up to tell you that your idea is terrible and should not be pursued is part of the culture. Why people do this instead of staying off the thread I do not know. But it happens.

Stick with the people who are genuinely playing along with your ideas.

 

[rhialto]

but I wanted to post to say around this forum people showing up to tell you that your idea is terrible and should not be pursued is part of the culture. Why people do this instead of staying off the thread I do not know. But it happens.

Stick with the people who are genuinely playing along with your ideas.

And you might also come join one of the alternative venues for such ideas: they're out there. :coffeesip:

 

[kilemall]

You know, I knew what you meant, bj, when you wrote "insensitive to others" -- and I know it didn't have to mean "autistic." There are plenty of people wandering this world right now that are insensitive to others on a daily basis, and they are never diagnosed with a medical condition. And probably don't have a medical condition other than "this type of person."

Now, I have no particular interest in this project -- but I wanted to post to say around this forum people showing up to tell you that your idea is terrible and should not be pursued is part of the culture. Why people do this instead of staying off the thread I do not know. But it happens.

Stick with the people who are genuinely playing along with your ideas.

Low SOC is a thing.

 

[rhialto]

Low SOC is a thing.

I always thought of it as the inverse of Carouse.

 

[McPerth]

You are quite right, it was very vague and undeveloped, just an idea I was trying to explore really, so it is a good thing I deleted it. It was my very first post and I learned from the experience. I will try to make sure my ideas are much better developed and polished before I try to present them in the future.

Maybe it was undeveloped and vage, but deleting it denied people the possibility to help you develop it and make it less vague, aside from making people partially discuss about something that is no longer there.

So I politley ask you to repost it if possible, as if people deleted anyting that recives criticisms or is too underdeveloped, we'd loss many ideas that have been developed from a "undeveloped and vague" idea posted by someone. Pople will like ideas or don't like them, but all of them have merit and deserve the posibility to be developed.

Don't be afraid of criticsims. Just take those that are constructive and ignore those that aren't, as nothing is anyone's cup of tea, and you'll find here there are many people wishing to help you to develop your ideas, many times from diferent points of view you'll find interesting.

 

[bjjones37]

Let me try to explain my rationale for the deletion. I am considering reposting at least part of it but I chose a very unfortunate title which confused a lot of people and went in a direction I did not wish to go. Everyone keyed in on the word Psionics which I am not at all qualified to discuss. Entire books have already been published on that subject. I simply wanted to examine the physiological factors that might lead up to it and what the implications of those physiologic factors were on a graduated scale. And I am very open to constructive criticism. But how is this constructive?

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Sensory damage would affect Intelligence and Education
He is autistic, that explains it
Garbage in, Garbage out
Any character you role-play will be autistic
He is autistic, I have to explain this stuff to him.
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I may be autistic, but I am not retarded. I could only construe this as destructive criticism of myself, not constructive criticism of my post. The truth is, I am a Traveller neophyte and you guys have been doing this stuff for years. I began to realize that I have very little of substance to add to this forum, so my best course was simply to ask questions and read the responses.

I will at your courteous request replace most of what I removed. But I no longer have any desire to pursue this particular line of inquiry with anyone else. I have humiliated myself enough with it. I just wish I could change the thread title to percept or something.

 

[bjjones37]

Percept The ability to perceive factors in one's environment, whether it is a physical sense, emotional sense, or psionic sense.

1-2: Disability 3-6: Physical 7-10: Empathic 11-12: Psionic Potential

Percept:1 Severe Disability - loss of two or more Physical senses
Percept:2 Disability -loss of one physical sense
Percept:3 Physical sense interfered with - colorblind, tonedeaf
Percept:4 Some reduced sensitivity of one or more physical senses - tinitus
Percept:5 Physical senses intact but input not fully processed
Percept:6 Generally aware of the environment, but insensitive to others
Percept:7 Aware of environment and generally aware of emotional tension
Percept:8 Heightened awareness of environment, able anticipate physical and emotional factors
Percept:9 Great situational awareness, Able to connect with others outside his language and culture
Percept:10 Able to connect with creatues outside of his species. (This goes beyond pet-owner association.
Bonding that allows them to function as a team in life and death situations)
Percept:11 Preternatural awareness, keen senses and strong neural connections enable one to be aware of what others are thinking and feeling. (Not quite mindreading)
Percept:12 Psionic candidate


Assumption that psionic abilities are able to perceive and interpret the small electromagnetic fields generated by the human body and other sources.
Also that certain individual may be able to amplify certain wavelengths neurally at the quantum level to influence the physical environment.
Potential energy is contained at a quantum level that PSI sensitives are able to detect and, with training, manipulate or trigger.

"Through the work of Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Louis de Broglie, Arthur Compton, Niels Bohr and many others, current scientific
theory holds that all particles also have a wave nature (and vice versa).[2] This phenomenon has been verified not only for elementary
particles, but also for compound particles like atoms and even molecules. For macroscopic particles, because of their extremely short
wavelengths, wave properties usually cannot be detected."
Wikipedia
Except by a Psi sensitive

The basis for Percept is both the level of sensitivity of the sensory nerves and organs, and the neural connections in the spinal cord
and brain which carry and process the analog information they detect.

 

[mike wightman]

You are not, nor have you been humiliated by your posts, questions or discussion.

Continue to post your ideas, discuss stuff as it pops up and ask your questions.

The majority of people on these boards are friendly and helpful.

 

[McPerth]

So you might use the system I suggested, or roll the psionic strength as per system and tie each ability to one stat-

STR Telekinesis
DEX Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
END Awareness
INT
EDU Teleportation
SOC Telepathy

BTW, as a bonus, from my perspective the psionic ability that is missing is Precognition, which I would tag to INT.

Refereeing Precog would be tough, but I would use it in terms of 'possibilities' and 'always in motion the future is', something that can change possibly due to character action but otherwise WILL happen.

Interesting suggestion...

Just curious, why did you tie clairadience/Clairvoyence to DEX? I personally see them unrealted...

I'd tie them to INT, and use DEX for telekinesis when fine manipulation is needed (remember telekinesis may also be used for this).

Side note: see that tying telepathy to SOC would have high (and interesting) effects on the Zhodani, as any telepath will have high SOC in their society

 

[mike wightman]

Back to percept, the one thing that is lacking is the chance of someone using the percept scale.
Characteristics like these should follow a normal distribution, with the bulk of the population being considered 'normal' and it is only when you get to the extremes of the distribution that these conditions begin to manifest.
This is how I would do it, which rolls a couple of your into one rating and allows for characteristic reduction or augmentation during generation:

Percept:0 Severe Disability - complete loss of two senses
Percept:1 Disability - partial loss of two or more senses or total loss of one
Percept:2 Disability - partial loss of one physical sense
Percept:3 Physical sense interfered with - colorblind, tonedeaf
Percept:4 Some reduced sensitivity of one or more physical senses - tinitus
Percept:5
Percept:6
Percept:7
Percept:8
Percept:9
Percept:10 Heightened awareness of environment, able anticipate physical and emotional. Great situational awareness, Able to connect with others outside his language and culture
Percept:11 Able to connect with creatures outside of his species. (This goes beyond pet owner association. Bonding that allows them to function as a team in life and death situations)
Percept:12 Preternatural awareness, keen senses and strong neural connections enable one to be aware of what others are thinking and feeling. (Not quite mindreading)
Percept:13 Psionic candidate

 

[coliver988]

While I don't use psionics in my games, I do like several of the suggestions being out forth. I can see this as an optional attribute for players: if they choose to take the chance, they could have a positive (or negative) impact on their character.

 

[McPerth]

Back to percept, the one thing that is lacking is the chance of someone using the percept scale.
Characteristics like these should follow a normal distribution, with the bulk of the population being considered 'normal' and it is only when you get to the extremes of the distribution that these conditions begin to manifest.
This is how I would do it, which rolls a couple of your into one rating and allows for characteristic reduction or augmentation during generation:

Percept:0 Severe Disability - complete loss of two senses
Percept:1 Disability - partial loss of two or more senses or total loss of one
Percept:2 Disability - partial loss of one physical sense
Percept:3 Physical sense interfered with - colorblind, tonedeaf
Percept:4 Some reduced sensitivity of one or more physical senses - tinitus
Percept:5
Percept:6
Percept:7
Percept:8
Percept:9
Percept:10 Heightened awareness of environment, able anticipate physical and emotional. Great situational awareness, Able to connect with others outside his language and culture
Percept:11 Able to connect with creatures outside of his species. (This goes beyond pet owner association. Bonding that allows them to function as a team in life and death situations)
Percept:12 Preternatural awareness, keen senses and strong neural connections enable one to be aware of what others are thinking and feeling. (Not quite mindreading)
Percept:13 Psionic candidate

Seeing that results go from 0 to 13. which roll (or DMs if 2d6) do you use for this?

 

[McPerth]

You are not, nor have you been humiliated by your posts, questions or discussion.

Continue to post your ideas, discuss stuff as it pops up and ask your questions.

The majority of people on these boards are friendly and helpful.

Fully agreed.

[m;]

Sensory damage would affect Intelligence and Education
He is autistic, that explains it
Garbage in, Garbage out
Any character you role-play will be autistic
He is autistic, I have to explain this stuff to him.

Thise kind of comments are offensive and against rule 1 of this board, and will not be accepted, being infraction worthy.[/m;]

 

[mike wightman]

2d6 for original stat and then character generation may see it rise or fall. Aging rolls could even play a part in reducing it...

 

[Blue Ghost]

I think the brain atrophies as it ages, so age mods make sense.

 

[atpollard]

I just wish I could change the thread title to percept or something.

Just tell me exactly what you want the name of the thread changed to. Any MOD can do it and we do it whenever it is needed or requested. You can also report the first post of the topic and just request the name change as the comment.

 

[bjjones37]

Percept Scale would be great. Thanks

 

[kilemall]

Interesting suggestion...

Just curious, why did you tie clairadience/Clairvoyence to DEX? I personally see them unrealted...

I'd tie them to INT, and use DEX for telekinesis when fine manipulation is needed (remember telekinesis may also be used for this).

Side note: see that tying telepathy to SOC would have high (and interesting) effects on the Zhodani, as any telepath will have high SOC in their society

Wow, I was using SOC in the social intelligence meme not the classic OTU/Zho way, interesting effects indeed in that context.

I went with the 'science of psionics' theme and DEX is to me tied to the sensory organs and 'nervous system VLA' especially plugging into a 'perception of place' and fine direction I believe the ability would require, plus feedback to the appropriate organ/nerve for 'playback '.

I tied telekinesis to STR as I use STR to mean musculature, bones and circulatory systems, and I am assuming telekinesis requires generating force to execute the move.

On a gameplay note I wanted to end up with one class of ability per UPP stat so even though arguably some could overlap I was also looking for justifications to separate them.

 

[mike wightman]

I have always had the circulatory system and general cardiovascular stuff more closely linked to End that Str.
Str is muscle and bone
End is cardiovascular
Dex is sensory/nervous system

 

[kilemall]

I have always had the circulatory system and general cardiovascular stuff more closely linked to End that Str.
Str is muscle and bone
End is cardiovascular
Dex is sensory/nervous system

Ya, I didn't explain END, that's digestive (for the fuel/energy component) and immune system.

Different cat skinning systems <shrug>.