solomanidude
SOC-4
Ok guys more on the clone deal!
Ok some points I have taken but you also have to remember that none of us here know the true impliction or applications of true clones because our science can not create it (yet).
So yes it is movie metaphor but so is Traveller, a RPG of science fiction and not all based on "science-facts".
Cloning is one factoid or applied opinion/theorim what have you, none of us here know (excuse the pun) but I read some of the ideas here on DNA and Bio Weapons etc etc. I do have to add some military bearing in here though.
As a "Soldier" Which I am; it only takes 8 weeks to turn an 18 year old into a soldier. It takes him less than one minute to be baptized in enemy gunfire. The idea of tactics on the clone part in my opinion is mute. I can continue to train a squad or a platoon of young men in tactics and basic soldiering after they go through basic training. They can have emphesis in all the weapons of the platoon level right out of FM 7-8 and those weapons that are actualy supplied to them via US Army. But if I have a platoon of young men with 2-3 NCO's and 4+ spec-4's with 2+ years experience that improves my training of that platoon as they can impart there wisdom as well. But what if your clones are programmed with that instead? See my question there... Instincts will superceed rational. Dogs are natural swimmers but humans arent. See my though here?
Training clones of course is all "Theoretical" but I can imagine that a Clone Soldier would be trained for combat duty in less than 6 months and if he is also trained to fight with weapons and H-T-H it would come in his last 2 years of training and thus most would be proficient in there weapons and other skills. If we train them using the SW example. He or she wont need training if hes programmed correct???
The DNA and Bio-weapon deal can be simply fixed by the inclusion of multiple strains of DNA or hosts so that the soldiers could be different clones from different hosts that fight side by side. So not all carbon copies from one host. I dont think that would cost too much, even in the real world. As sperm banks adorn our planet.
The ethical question is for you the referee to decide as it is the referees discretion on how to handle clones etc etc.
The Blad Runner analogy would be nice in a sense because I think Rutger Haur Clones would be larger and probably stronger than Jango Fett's clones. But that again is in "movies" as the concepts are taking place.
But realisticly speaking our TL is not on par with Traveller as we will have advances in certain areas that Traveller will regard as way high TL.
We will have many advances in tech that traveller would have to re-address. Like the nano-tech situation. Deady nanobots could be created with deadly viruses or posions to kill individials etc etc. So its up the realm of your imagination to implement the various things the science fiction movies/books provide you as a referee.
The clone idea is not completly flawed in SW. The tech they use does have practical merrit. Its that we can't produce a real clone yet nor can we envision what a real clone will be like in 2000 or 3000 years if they can be created.
I expressed the idea and introductions of clones not to take away the mainstay of Traveller but for high epic science fantasy. I always had players who wanted to run characters like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker with some of their traits but different. So designing some villians aka by the rules set as you know is very limiting if using them canon defacto. So clones can be an added bonus or an added headache either way you look at it.
I also have to say "can't magic be also introduced into traveller via certain TL worlds with subclass races such as dwarves and elves?" Even though the rules never did....
I mean its all just a game and the referees discretion on how to use them and there basis.
Like single clones or clones of bad guys and or clones of emperors etc etc are utilized to a certain degree whether it is ethical or not. I don't see science stopping on stem cell research yet!
Once in awhile muddying the waters is sometimes more fun than problematic. LOL
Thanks for the input....
Ok some points I have taken but you also have to remember that none of us here know the true impliction or applications of true clones because our science can not create it (yet).
So yes it is movie metaphor but so is Traveller, a RPG of science fiction and not all based on "science-facts".
Cloning is one factoid or applied opinion/theorim what have you, none of us here know (excuse the pun) but I read some of the ideas here on DNA and Bio Weapons etc etc. I do have to add some military bearing in here though.
As a "Soldier" Which I am; it only takes 8 weeks to turn an 18 year old into a soldier. It takes him less than one minute to be baptized in enemy gunfire. The idea of tactics on the clone part in my opinion is mute. I can continue to train a squad or a platoon of young men in tactics and basic soldiering after they go through basic training. They can have emphesis in all the weapons of the platoon level right out of FM 7-8 and those weapons that are actualy supplied to them via US Army. But if I have a platoon of young men with 2-3 NCO's and 4+ spec-4's with 2+ years experience that improves my training of that platoon as they can impart there wisdom as well. But what if your clones are programmed with that instead? See my question there... Instincts will superceed rational. Dogs are natural swimmers but humans arent. See my though here?
Training clones of course is all "Theoretical" but I can imagine that a Clone Soldier would be trained for combat duty in less than 6 months and if he is also trained to fight with weapons and H-T-H it would come in his last 2 years of training and thus most would be proficient in there weapons and other skills. If we train them using the SW example. He or she wont need training if hes programmed correct???
The DNA and Bio-weapon deal can be simply fixed by the inclusion of multiple strains of DNA or hosts so that the soldiers could be different clones from different hosts that fight side by side. So not all carbon copies from one host. I dont think that would cost too much, even in the real world. As sperm banks adorn our planet.
The ethical question is for you the referee to decide as it is the referees discretion on how to handle clones etc etc.
The Blad Runner analogy would be nice in a sense because I think Rutger Haur Clones would be larger and probably stronger than Jango Fett's clones. But that again is in "movies" as the concepts are taking place.
But realisticly speaking our TL is not on par with Traveller as we will have advances in certain areas that Traveller will regard as way high TL.
We will have many advances in tech that traveller would have to re-address. Like the nano-tech situation. Deady nanobots could be created with deadly viruses or posions to kill individials etc etc. So its up the realm of your imagination to implement the various things the science fiction movies/books provide you as a referee.
The clone idea is not completly flawed in SW. The tech they use does have practical merrit. Its that we can't produce a real clone yet nor can we envision what a real clone will be like in 2000 or 3000 years if they can be created.
I expressed the idea and introductions of clones not to take away the mainstay of Traveller but for high epic science fantasy. I always had players who wanted to run characters like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker with some of their traits but different. So designing some villians aka by the rules set as you know is very limiting if using them canon defacto. So clones can be an added bonus or an added headache either way you look at it.
I also have to say "can't magic be also introduced into traveller via certain TL worlds with subclass races such as dwarves and elves?" Even though the rules never did....
I mean its all just a game and the referees discretion on how to use them and there basis.
Like single clones or clones of bad guys and or clones of emperors etc etc are utilized to a certain degree whether it is ethical or not. I don't see science stopping on stem cell research yet!
Once in awhile muddying the waters is sometimes more fun than problematic. LOL
Thanks for the input....
