Yeah. You can put it down to rounding (e.g. there were 1.2 million people and 1.0 million were killed), but then you still have only a fraction of the original population.
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Yeah. You can put it down to rounding (e.g. there were 1.2 million people and 1.0 million were killed), but then you still have only a fraction of the original population.
I think we discussed in Corridor Fleet thread. I don't believe it was 1 million global. I believe it was 1 million in the starport. I would suggest less than 10 million global. The references mentioned additional bombing at a later date. Nothing about fatalities. A rather ruthless Vargr leader, or perhaps the population rebelling did something resulting in extreme reprisal. Your world...you tell us.
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Drakon
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Still working out the details. I don't have the DGP material but this is what I surmise. I am starting off with a pop 6 world with a multiplier of 1, so 1 million people in 1105. Trying to fudge as little as possible.
1) After the fleet left (thanks Lucan), the Vargr worked their way down via Dezy's world, and Tamilaa, and also Sluru, Errd Loman and Khukish. The people of Lemish decides to make a stand. The Vargr, notably the Glory of Taarskoerzn, decide to make an example. To speed up their conquest of the rest of the sector.
2) Somewhere I read that Depot, after the fleet left, worked their butts off to get as many of the mothballed reserve fleet ships online to aid the defense of the various systems. (I really need to find the citation.) That and the secret weapons upgrades of the Blue Whale, a former warship that did not have functional jump drive and utilized as a combination Imperial War Memorial and high port, gave Lemishians a false sense of security.
3) I read it as one million deaths. I estimate that the population by 1116 for Lemish is roughly 1.38 million. That is at a 3% growth rate. At 5%, its 1.71 million.
4) Something that just occured to me. With the war going on, it seems Lemish would be a a natural waypoint for refugees. 700,000 refugees from the coreward might be a bit much, but then again. I am estimating roughly 4 weeks minimum between crossing the border to reaching Lemish, probably closer to 8 weeks. Can 700,000 people cram onto starships and make it to Lemish in two months?
5) What I would like to do, if possible, is have the subsector Duke of Lemish leaves with the Imperial fleet. I am not sure if that would work storywise or realistically. It would be a huge morale destroyer, but leave the baron a more free hand in events.
What do you think?
Refugees: sure. I did it. Depends on the size of your liners. It's really hard to estimate but i use large sleeper jump ships so people can travel in mass numbers. 700,000? An number of convenience? IMTU it could be more. But I believe large numbers are possible. OTU probably less. You realize those refugees are going to be around the starport that gets flattened right? It's the easiest place to support them. Only colony style ships, liners, might try landing else where.
Remember, old ships get turned into high ports for struggling economy worlds. I'd put an old monitor and 5000t liner at Lemish as 1 high port. That is a lot of false security. A j6 can jump from Vargr space to Lemish. 3I has not thought this out well. Also, it probably has a couple 2000dt SDBs and a hand full of 400dt/200dt SDBs. Against hundreds of Corsairs they get washed away.
Kaasu falling was the point of great failure in the system. I would assume the gov't would fall back to a subsector capital or Depot. DGP canon suggests the depots we're caught off guard. Only 1000 left on Depot. Staff is born, grows old and dies on Depots. I think some of this would be urban legend. No sector admiral in his right mind would leave a border Depot under defended. Still i think any ships being released would have went for Kaasu.
Of course, MTU deviates, expands on the story line. Do as you see fit for YTU. DGP has Kaasu's sector duke being betrayed by a relative.
If the Sector Duke is from Dag sector he may want to look after his holdings and pay homage to Lucan. Yeah. Morale is an issue. He could be killed quickly.
Drakon
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The issue I have is that despite DGP saying a million folks are killed on Lemish in the attack, the UWP population figure doesn't change. At least what I can find from my sources and Travellerwiki.
I did the military budget a while back and didn't think Lemish could afford that much defensive firepower. We discussed transfer of the Blue Whale from Depot to Lemish shortly after the nobility cards came out.
While I believe that a subsector capital should have a high port, the rules state a world does not get an offical highport until their population is over 10 million. Using an old mothballed warship as a Memorial / Q ship seemed like the best I could do, within the rules.
The whole question of what happened to the ground personel and the dependents of those who left to fleet is something I want to explore in my writings.
Where they get deployed depends on several factors. Do you send fleet elements to the (new) capital to defend in a last stand? Or do you send some elements forward to meet the Vargr elsewhere, possibly giving Depot time to get more ships online?
If under attack, it would make more military sense to fall back to Depot. I understand that DGP canon states Depot was taken by some kind of ruse instigated by one of the auxilaries of the Glory of Taarskoervn. Specifically a band called the Vaenggvae.
One plot idea I had is that someone on Lemish was actually trying to help and put a bug in the ear of the leader of the Vaenggvae to attack Depot, hoping that Depot's defenses would destroy that one group, and weakend the Glory who were occupying Lemish. Because they were successful, this disrupted the leadership of the Glory and started an interVargr fight. Which benefited Lemish and other Imperial worlds temporarily.
According to my notes, the (canonical) duke of Corridor is Criston Rehman. No idea where he is from and no other information available. The subsector Duke of Lemish, who has extensive estates on Lemish proper, is who I am thinking goes off to war. I don't think anybody returned. The morale issue I was talking about is more related to how much support do you have for an Imperium that abandons you to the Vargr. The subsector duke leaving can be taken as a further betrayal.
Yep Blue Whale. I recall. Still SDBs are reasonable. Give yourself an budget over several years prior to the invasion. It's a one year even.
Yep Sector Duke is Rehman. Probably from Corridor. I meant your Lemish subsector duke may have holding elsewhere. Duke Rehman is rumored lost in Kaasu or retreats Spinward to fight on but not in the Domain of Deneb.
Interesting hypothesis about the Vargr. I like it in a "we really should have warn them first..." method. There is clearly urban legend in the DGP tales. I use it to create a depot that survives (kinda) the Vargr and Virus survival scenario.
The fleets go based on communications. If Rehman goes spinward he's giving up depot. If he died and is a rumor then all bets are off.
Back to SDBs. There are a number of interesting designs in the early thread. I would not use 9,999dt+ because I think its a rule problem for SDBs. Perhaps because SDBs should be easily able to fly "nap of the earth". Higher tonnages scream "monitor" to me.
Drakon
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Okay, will work on running some numbers this weekend
The dukes have holdings all over, but as Lemish is the subsector capital, he is the largerst land owner on Lemish. From a story point, him leaving to join Lucan could be good thematically, although many will feel he is abandoning his post. Obviously, his seneschal would be around, but still.
Depot would have been warned but interstellar travel has been severly hampered by Vargr raiders and a lot of Lemish's ships were destroyed in the sacking. And we really did think ya'll could have a few crazy Vargr. I mean, you are Depot. Even with the Imperial fleet withdrawal, we figured Depot would have sufficient defenses. We under estimated the Vargr. Sorry about that.
What does the canon say? If canon is silent on the subject, what would you recommend?
The first step is to model the Vargr forces, see what we can expect. We would probably have intel on the Vargr forces.
I would agree with you about a higher number of smaller vessels, but it really depends on what weapons systems we have to deploy.
Your duke may rush off to protect his holding coreward, several worlds, and support Lucan or secretly Dulinor. MTU, the entire CORRFLT and LISHFLT's do not reach CORE. Most regroup under special orders at VLAND or VLAND Depot and support a spearhead back into Corridor, enforce the Vargr border feigning hardware issues. Lucan receives 1/4 of CORRFLT and 1/2 of LISHFLT all loyalists. Some defect to Margaret and only a few ships to Dulinor. Without the Moot support Lucan support weakens Navy morale. Your free to grab the maps off my profile art page and use or modify as needed. I have more i'm uploading. My old game site is T20. I has ideas but doesn't really address
Rehman was probably murdered by his brother in-law who cut a deal. An admiral keeping his name alive as they fight spinward. That subsector falls completely to Vargr. Campaigns around "rebel" forces are ideal here in that region. Depot probably tried to free the sector capital and keep communications with Vland going. Most Depots have 3 fleets, CORR Depot and Capital have 4. I would assume Solomani Rim too. Terra has an extra subsector fleet.
So, why mention this on this SDB thread. Depot's security fleet is overrun cutting off supplies. MTU after destroying a lot and getting hurt, the Vargr cut a support deal with Depot HQ staff versus taking on the deep meson gun defense system of a depot HQ. They control most of the system. That works with some of our recent discussions on planetary assaults and surrenders. The planetary navy in Lemish may have been overrun and surrendered keeping those SDBs in play. Now also supported by Vargr marines and Corsairs. The downport slammed but the high port may have moved or been operational. Your duke's loyalists may have rebels fighting while other humans cut a deal (the Baron could be playing both sides). Those SDBs mentioned earlier in the thread could make for an interesting plot line as Vargr come through the system. Now Vargr must defend against other Vargr. Lemish, IMO, becomes a version of historic Port Royale. They know they cannot take on the Vilani Navy but they can annoy everyone and make a lot of credits. Another stronghold might be Purge. Kaasu, as a captured capital is more of a problem than a pirate asset.
Drakon
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First off, while you have some interesting ideas for YTU, I am trying to operate inside the OTU. Not that they are totally incompatiable.
Second, I consider the DGP canon the official story. The official story is that a contingent of Vargr attacked Depot successfully, using some kind of unspecified subterfuge, and this led to political upheaval inside the Glory. The official story is that the Vargr killed a million people on Lemish. Now, what deal Depot made with the Vargr Corsairs is unknown.
Third, the idea of Lemish becoming Port Royale is intriguing, and highly doable. Lemish has 2 capital cities, one on each side the Lemish Imperial Starport. Franklin is the planetary/system capital, while Kudra* is the subsector capital. Franklin gets blasted while Kudra is allowed to survive to give the various subsector and higher level diplomats time to escape and spread the word of Lemish's fate.
There is no record (at least to my knowledge) of what happened to the Lemishian fleet, but I figured it would be all but wiped out. Again I will need to look at the budget, 1 million folks can only support so many SBDs and their crews. Need to look at maintenence, supplies and salaries (OPTARs) rather than out right purchases, as the purchases can be assumed to have taken place earlier. Although replacement purchases will need to be factored in.
The way I see things happening, the imperial loyalist do form a resistance, but most are stuck without space ships. The Blue Whale gets destroyed along with most, if not all of the system defense fleet, and most of the planet's population centers. There are possibly some surviving ships who were sent protecting the outer lying planets.
Canonically there is already conflict between the Glory of Taarskoervn, the Irrgh Manifest, and the Vaenggvae, prompted by the Vaenggvae's success at Depot. Also remember that Lemish's shipyards got obliterated, so if the SDB were damaged, it will be difficult to repair them.
*Kudra name to change as this was part of the Peter Gray stuff that I found out later was not canonical and even problematic.
It's good to start in the canon. I told you what i did to increase the imagination perspective. It's about having fun. I saw loopholes in canon and pushed a campaign through them. There are loopholes. But it's not for this thread so i'll be brief because i've used it as a description on other threads. MTU is TNE so long after the war.
- 500 ships fighting to get there will not win against an under defended TLF 3I Depot defense force.
- a depot is an entire system worth of bases. Canon tends to refer to one location, and a few caches. It mentions only 1 battle. And is mostly from the Vargr perspective.
- The Vargr, as mentioned, would have fought amongst themselves for control of Depot, and Kaasu. Yet suddenly they have solid borders and are stable.
The Corridor canon only tells half the story.
One thing, don't overkill your planet. There are plenty of great stories that can be created but complete genocide isn't one of them. Leave the Vargr heavily dependent on the captured culture. That is very much in canon. If your players are humans then the Vargr will need help in running ships, rebuilding, etc.
Drakon
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So, the Vaenggvae capture a part of Depot, and start refurbing ships, both their own and capture Imperial vessels. They go back to Lemish, and embellish things a bit.
My understanding is that canonically they are never stable. Perhaps stable for the Vargr, but there is a lot of intrigue and backstabbing going on.
Agreed completely. There is a story about Ghengus Khan (I think I am doing this from memory which is not the greatest any more) wanted to murder 1 million chinese that he conquered. A wise man told him that he could do that and take a million bolts of silk. Or, he could let them live and take half a milllion bolts of silk every year for the rest of his life.
Also, I think that the survivors would try to spread the word that Lemish is a ghost planet, that while the majority of the population were slaughtered, the rest of the place is just a stinky dead planet. PR does not necessarily have to mean talking about how great a thing is
Condottiere
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There was a discussion with a Mongol (or in Vargr terms Mongrel) fanboi in another forum that tried to compare Genghis to Caesar and Alexander, and finally descended to find redeeming features of Mongol civilization.
And it's hard to believe that a Vargr SuperPac can even achieve that, especially one trying to incorporate aliens from recently overrun territory.
Outside of the fact that one in two hundred of us could be descendants from Genghis. Except in Africa. And the Americas. And Europe.
And it's hard to believe that a Vargr SuperPac can even achieve that, especially one trying to incorporate aliens from recently overrun territory.
Outside of the fact that one in two hundred of us could be descendants from Genghis. Except in Africa. And the Americas. And Europe.
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IMTU yes. I used the lack of facts to put in my own ideas. And it created a fun environment for the players in the 1200s. The Vargr are sold as pirates in MT, pirates are not big on suicide. Depot still holds a lot of fear after the first few pirate vessels are vaporized. Cut a deal sure. Repair our ships, make improvements, sure. It worked for me. And yes they embellished the situation. Considered it a protected world, only their ships in or out. My depots are more robust than OTU. OTU shows a fraction of the depot. In the meantime, Vland is trying to retake part of Corridor. If Lish, Corr, Old E, Dagu, Core fleets went after Dlan they would have ended them. Dlan did not have more than double the normal fleet build since Dulinor became Archduke. And they hid them somewhere remote. So, I say something is missing from OTU. Fill in the loophole as you wish. I used desertion from Corr and Lishun fleets. OTU says they went to Core. Didn't say they all got there or any details after they got there. Not a word. The Vargr have the same problem. Once things get hot a lot of guys will take there treasure and go. Who wants to kill refugees and base personnel in another battle. It's boring.
So, SDB. The Vargr come back with 40+ old 1000dt SDBs from the mothball fleet. A few 5000dt fleet tenders a an odd assortment of stuff. Depot won't give them the whole fleet or the biggest stuff but like i said it's more playable. Lemish becomes a Port Royale, a clearing house. Kaazu is being stripped and far to unstable and in a different government.
MTU after the Vargr gain a relationship with depot the 1056th Strand reserve fleet shows up. Oops. Vargr have a worst position still. The deal is adjusted...depot can start forcing vargr to not slaughter corridor sector sophonts. Vaenggvae Vargr become more of a client state to the Vland without expressing it. And they become very rich. They still secretly prey on Vilani shipping. Yet Corridor is like the Carribbean, large and untamed now.
The Corr Depot from Rapid Repot cannot support 15 fleets. Yet, Depot is suppose to turn around 15 fleets in a couple months. It works. Otherwise, your choice is Depot is crushed, all of corridor is crushed and the Vargr fight among themselves for scrap (a nice cover story but not as fun).
So Lemish is Port Royale of Corridor. From this location the Vargr use to harass and sell to other governments. I would say special crews take ships needing repairs to Depot. Perhaps in exchange for repaired ships. The Vargr groups secret is safe. Captains get fixed ships. Vargr don't care...its a ship.
Some stuff get's fixed in another high port. The local population becomes wheelers and dealers supporting Vargr whims. Bars everywhere. Merchants. Crime. And secretly still rebels.
So, you see i have a story under the OTU story. Lemish needs a story under the story. If the new Genghis decides to hangout in in Port Lemish with his fleet of 100 trouble causers then so be it. Virus doesn't just reset the universe. It augments it with another life form, the Awaken. MTU+80 years these remnants still haunt Corridor.
So, the Vaenggvae capture a part of Depot, and start refurbing ships, both their own and capture Imperial vessels. They go back to Lemish, and embellish things a bit. My understanding is that canonically they are never stable. Perhaps stable for the Vargr, but there is a lot of intrigue and backstabbing going on.
Agreed completely. There is a story about Ghengus Khan (I think I am doing this from memory which is not the greatest any more) wanted to murder 1 million chinese that he conquered. A wise man told him that he could do that and take a million bolts of silk. Or, he could let them live and take half a milllion bolts of silk every year for the rest of his life.
Also, I think that the survivors would try to spread the word that Lemish is a ghost planet, that while the majority of the population were slaughtered, the rest of the place is just a stinky dead planet. PR does not necessarily have to mean talking about how great a thing is
IMTU yes. I used the lack of facts to put in my own ideas. And it created a fun environment for the players in the 1200s. The Vargr are sold as pirates in MT, pirates are not big on suicide. Depot still holds a lot of fear after the first few pirate vessels are vaporized. Cut a deal sure. Repair our ships, make improvements, sure. It worked for me. And yes they embellished the situation. Considered it a protected world, only their ships in or out. My depots are more robust than OTU. OTU shows a fraction of the depot. In the meantime, Vland is trying to retake part of Corridor. If Lish, Corr, Old E, Dagu, Core fleets went after Dlan they would have ended them. Dlan did not have more than double the normal fleet build since Dulinor became Archduke. And they hid them somewhere remote. So, I say something is missing from OTU. Fill in the loophole as you wish. I used desertion from Corr and Lishun fleets. OTU says they went to Core. Didn't say they all got there or any details after they got there. Not a word. The Vargr have the same problem. Once things get hot a lot of guys will take there treasure and go. Who wants to kill refugees and base personnel in another battle. It's boring.
So, SDB. The Vargr come back with 40+ old 1000dt SDBs from the mothball fleet. A few 5000dt fleet tenders a an odd assortment of stuff. Depot won't give them the whole fleet or the biggest stuff but like i said it's more playable. Lemish becomes a Port Royale, a clearing house. Kaazu is being stripped and far to unstable and in a different government.
MTU after the Vargr gain a relationship with depot the 1056th Strand reserve fleet shows up. Oops. Vargr have a worst position still. The deal is adjusted...depot can start forcing vargr to not slaughter corridor sector sophonts. Vaenggvae Vargr become more of a client state to the Vland without expressing it. And they become very rich. They still secretly prey on Vilani shipping. Yet Corridor is like the Carribbean, large and untamed now.
The Corr Depot from Rapid Repot cannot support 15 fleets. Yet, Depot is suppose to turn around 15 fleets in a couple months. It works. Otherwise, your choice is Depot is crushed, all of corridor is crushed and the Vargr fight among themselves for scrap (a nice cover story but not as fun).
So Lemish is Port Royale of Corridor. From this location the Vargr use to harass and sell to other governments. I would say special crews take ships needing repairs to Depot. Perhaps in exchange for repaired ships. The Vargr groups secret is safe. Captains get fixed ships. Vargr don't care...its a ship.
Some stuff get's fixed in another high port. The local population becomes wheelers and dealers supporting Vargr whims. Bars everywhere. Merchants. Crime. And secretly still rebels.
So, you see i have a story under the OTU story. Lemish needs a story under the story. If the new Genghis decides to hangout in in Port Lemish with his fleet of 100 trouble causers then so be it. Virus doesn't just reset the universe. It augments it with another life form, the Awaken. MTU+80 years these remnants still haunt Corridor.
Drakon
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Yes now add to the mix that Lemish begins producing large marketable quantities of theobromide. It is a substance that humans can metabolize safely, but vargr, like their terran ancestors, can't. Many Vargr develop an addiction, which gives the Lemishians a bit of leverage. *evil laugh*
Well, the Virus kills a lot of sophants in the process.
And there is the whole question of whether the new Genghis (Genghi? whatever the plural is) would hang out in Lemish, or look for someplace with better atmosphere. Obviously the Lemishians would encourage the Vargr to live elsewhere.
I am working on the story, there are a lot of characters that need to be generated and the worlds of the Lemish system still need some fleshing out.
Getting back to SBDs, I need to put together a catalog of vessels and look at their Operational budgets. See what is available from 1105 through 1116, and boucne that off the budget calcs from Pocket Empires and Striker. My original calcs said that Lemish could only afford 7, but I was looking at purchases rather than maintenence. At least I hope so, its been a while.
Virus destroying everything was overdone. But that's a future story.
Funny. Vargr are fun, not as much fun without them going in and out of Port Lemish. If you entrapped groups of them with the a limited supply of drugs. A few extra pirate ships loyal to PR makes things nice. A pirate Genghis may be a more like Blackbeard. Condottiere is right, he's not a traditional Vargr. He definitely should not be drugged. Genghis would not have reacted well. Genghis was a land baron. Perhaps he travels world to world with a horde of scout ships and a couple merc cruisers pillages then returns to Port Lemish. Because he likes it there.
Well there are a couple large SDBs in Digest 7 and the ones previously in the thread. Avoid the big ones unless you want a Monitor. Key word is "boat". A single capital ship does have a way of swaying opinions. An old AHL that is J1 now.
So a couple points
-budget :rofl::rofl:
It becomes a budget of "maintenance" in a pirate economy. That's T4 Pocket Empire territory. 3I is gone. Your talking about a 2 world pocket empire. Easy to protect really. So, they could inherit enough to protect themselves as subset of a Vargr empire. The governor of Port Royale had his own firepower, a fortress and some ships. A higher power granted him authority in the caribbean. Of course, the story is more detailed but you get my drift.
With your Vargr Warlord (Genghis), a local governor (human would be funny), free pirate vessels running about, Some rebels that don't like anyone (from another pocket empire or the Vilani or both), a few companies and a couple Criminal Mafias. Then your world has multiple authorities and becomes interesting. A few Psions in the mix. Maybe the governor is a Vargr, but a drugged human puppet with his troops. Not the hero type.
Well, good luck the players will love it!
kilemall
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Virus destroying everything was overdone. But that's a future story.
Funny. Vargr are fun, not as much fun without them going in and out of Port Lemish. If you entrapped groups of them with the a limited supply of drugs. A few extra pirate ships loyal to PR makes things nice. A pirate Genghis may be a more like Blackbeard. Condottiere is right, he's not a traditional Vargr. He definitely should not be drugged. Genghis would not have reacted well. Genghis was a land baron. Perhaps he travels world to world with a horde of scout ships and a couple merc cruisers pillages then returns to Port Lemish. Because he likes it there.
Well there are a couple large SDBs in Digest 7 and the ones previously in the thread. Avoid the big ones unless you want a Monitor. Key word is "boat". A single capital ship does have a way of swaying opinions. An old AHL that is J1 now.
So a couple points
-budget :rofl::rofl:
It becomes a budget of "maintenance" in a pirate economy. That's T4 Pocket Empire territory. 3I is gone. Your talking about a 2 world pocket empire. Easy to protect really. So, they could inherit enough to protect themselves as subset of a Vargr empire. The governor of Port Royale had his own firepower, a fortress and some ships. A higher power granted him authority in the caribbean. Of course, the story is more detailed but you get my drift.
With your Vargr Warlord (Genghis), a local governor (human would be funny), free pirate vessels running about, Some rebels that don't like anyone (from another pocket empire or the Vilani or both), a few companies and a couple Criminal Mafias. Then your world has multiple authorities and becomes interesting. A few Psions in the mix. Maybe the governor is a Vargr, but a drugged human puppet with his troops. Not the hero type.
Well, good luck the players will love it!
If we are talking pirate empire, there is one historical precedent for a near polity-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih
A pirate empire inside privateering empires. That is what the Vargr do but this twist has few allies.
I like the Ching Shih article. Summing it up 80% tax, limited rewards (beautiful wives, treasure), fierce punishment, and protection.
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Drakon
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Whether any particular Vargr uses theobromide is completely up to the individual Vargr. We can't force them to take it, just offer it if they want to. The detrimental effects to the Vargr are what Lemish is really interested in. And there are present a few (very few) Imperial Vargr willing to help the Glory, or the Manifest or the Vaenggvae destroy themselves.
Or an old SHL whose jump drive has been removed but still has manuvering drive and a full complement of weapons.
Wrong. I am trying to figure out what SDBs Lemish has BEFORE the Vargr attack. What happens after the attack is out of the Baron's, or the human's hands. You are a bit ahead of the story, which is understandable as we've been all over.
I have an idea on the first Vargr governor that I hope proves interesting. And there is the whole Church of the Chosen One thing to deal with.With your Vargr Warlord (Genghis), a local governor (human would be funny), free pirate vessels running about, Some rebels that don't like anyone (from another pocket empire or the Vilani or both), a few companies and a couple Criminal Mafias. Then your world has multiple authorities and becomes interesting. A few Psions in the mix. Maybe the governor is a Vargr, but a drugged human puppet with his troops. Not the hero type.
Well, good luck the players will love it!
3 different Vargr factions after the Depot "success". A 4th faction of Vargr later on of folks who just want to farm and earn a living instead of living as a parasite. Different human factions, some siding with the Vargr, some siding with rebels. I don't think either the NZS nor whatever is left of Deneb becomes an issue to Lemish until early 1200, possibly the 1190s.
As far as a lot of Lemish feel, the abandonment of Corridor by the Imperium, makes re integrating with any Imperium. Why pay taxes and play nice and be loyal when that loyalty got betrayed so completely?
NZS didn't abandon Corridor, the Imperium did. Still a lot of humans that would prefer it which is why yo have refugees. A great deal of the area was settled by Vilani expansion.
Drakon
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Figuring OPTARs
OPTAR is a naval term for Operational Target. It is the expected budget for a ship, and includes items such as ship's salaries, life support, maintenance, weapons reload and fuel. It is a target, because unforseen circumstances can throw the budget out the window, like a generator melt down, pranging a sensor on an asteroid, or a Vargr attack.
Salaries for the crew are, via T5.09, are 2400 Cr * rank per year for officers, and 1200 Cr * rank for enlisted. Life support costs I am still researching. (I hate having old brain cells)
Fuel costs depend on operational scedule. Ships in port or in orbit don't use as much fuel as ship's manuvering, so this can be modeled between Normal (24 tons fuel/month) and Quiet mode (2.4 tons/month).
Maintenance is 0.1% of ship's capital cost.
Missile load and reload rates still need to be worked out. How many missiles are used up during training, (as opposed to launched, recovered and refurbed back to combat readiness.). I figure lazers don't need ammo costs as they are electrical and effectively fueled by the ship's power plants.
I have 3 examples of SDBs, the 400 ton Dragon, from suppliment 7, the unnamed 200 ton boat from suppliment 9, and the 500 ton Freedonian Condor from FASA. I am still crunching numbers.
OPTAR is a naval term for Operational Target. It is the expected budget for a ship, and includes items such as ship's salaries, life support, maintenance, weapons reload and fuel. It is a target, because unforseen circumstances can throw the budget out the window, like a generator melt down, pranging a sensor on an asteroid, or a Vargr attack.
Salaries for the crew are, via T5.09, are 2400 Cr * rank per year for officers, and 1200 Cr * rank for enlisted. Life support costs I am still researching. (I hate having old brain cells)
Fuel costs depend on operational scedule. Ships in port or in orbit don't use as much fuel as ship's manuvering, so this can be modeled between Normal (24 tons fuel/month) and Quiet mode (2.4 tons/month).
Maintenance is 0.1% of ship's capital cost.
Missile load and reload rates still need to be worked out. How many missiles are used up during training, (as opposed to launched, recovered and refurbed back to combat readiness.). I figure lazers don't need ammo costs as they are electrical and effectively fueled by the ship's power plants.
I have 3 examples of SDBs, the 400 ton Dragon, from suppliment 7, the unnamed 200 ton boat from suppliment 9, and the 500 ton Freedonian Condor from FASA. I am still crunching numbers.
