It all starts somewhere. Glad to see this innovative work being done. Thank you, Nathan Brazil.
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
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It all starts somewhere. Glad to see this innovative work being done. Thank you, Nathan Brazil.
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
First-time poster - if I'm doing this wrong, gentle correction is appreciated.
I've got a question on the TravellerMap data - it looks like something was a deliberate change, but I'm trying to figure out the reasoning.
The world in question is Dallia/District 268 (SM 1435), specifically its atmosphere code. Every resource I've found lists it as 'B' (corrosive), with one exception. CT S03, CT A10, MT Imperial Encyclopedia, TNE Regency Sourcebook, and MgT Spinward Marches, all list as B. The one exception? CT Errata, which explicitly says to correct it to 8 (dense).
The problem is twofold - one, this is very non-obvious when pretty much any resource that most people use says 'B'. (The only reason I found the errata was a full-text search of all my PDFs in Google Drive. I was all set to come in here saying that it was clearly an OCR error until I saw that.) Two, there are some MgT adventure seeds that have Dallia with a corrosive atmosphere. MgT Spinward Encounters, pg. 119, 'Dangerous Allegiences' and its two followups, 'The Noctocol-Elixabeth Run' and 'The Talchek Crossing' are partly built around Dallia being a highly-populated world with strong chemical/mining exports.
Do we have any indication why the late change from a crowded corrosive-atmosphere dome world to a shirt-sleeve garden world?
I've got a question on the TravellerMap data - it looks like something was a deliberate change, but I'm trying to figure out the reasoning.
The world in question is Dallia/District 268 (SM 1435), specifically its atmosphere code. Every resource I've found lists it as 'B' (corrosive), with one exception. CT S03, CT A10, MT Imperial Encyclopedia, TNE Regency Sourcebook, and MgT Spinward Marches, all list as B. The one exception? CT Errata, which explicitly says to correct it to 8 (dense).
The problem is twofold - one, this is very non-obvious when pretty much any resource that most people use says 'B'. (The only reason I found the errata was a full-text search of all my PDFs in Google Drive. I was all set to come in here saying that it was clearly an OCR error until I saw that.) Two, there are some MgT adventure seeds that have Dallia with a corrosive atmosphere. MgT Spinward Encounters, pg. 119, 'Dangerous Allegiences' and its two followups, 'The Noctocol-Elixabeth Run' and 'The Talchek Crossing' are partly built around Dallia being a highly-populated world with strong chemical/mining exports.
Do we have any indication why the late change from a crowded corrosive-atmosphere dome world to a shirt-sleeve garden world?
GypsyComet
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I've seen at least one OCR error go the other direction, reading an 8 as a B. A look at the electronic version of the TNE Regency Sourcebook shows an iffy read either way, and that may be where the late (25 years ago) "change" came from, as seen on Traveller map and the Wiki. The GURPS version by MJD, and thus whatever MJD works on for Mongoose, retains the Corrosive rating of B.
What is the precise form of the resizing-worlds-too-small-for-their-atmospheres metric used for the T5SS?o:
IIRC, if the world size is 3 or less and the atmosphere is 2 or 3 increase the world size to 4. If the world size if 4 or less and the atmosphere is 4 to 9, increase the world size to 5.
Doing the change the other way, reducing the atmosphere, is also possible.
Don preferred the former when there was any written text about the world, as the atmosphere was more important than world size. I know he did the other as well.
Timerover51
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Or if the world size is 5, roll a D6 and add 3 to the result for atmosphere.
Graham2001
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I was re-reading 'Twilight's Peak' in relation to a little side project and spotted something that might be worth adding to the map as an overlay.
This is the rumor for Echiste (Spinward Marches 2313) which indicates that a large scale scout/x-boat facility is being constructed with an etstimated-time-to-completion of the end of the year (1105?, certainly before the Fifth Frontier War.), once it is in operation an X-boat route running Regina - Yori - Echiste -Risek will be activated.
This is the rumor for Echiste (Spinward Marches 2313) which indicates that a large scale scout/x-boat facility is being constructed with an etstimated-time-to-completion of the end of the year (1105?, certainly before the Fifth Frontier War.), once it is in operation an X-boat route running Regina - Yori - Echiste -Risek will be activated.
Condottiere
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Like I mentioned before, it depends on what consciousness is, if it can be transferred and/or split.
On the surface level, if the clone is convinced it's the original, if it reacts to the universe exactly how the original does, and if the universe reacts to the clone how it would to the original.
On the surface level, if the clone is convinced it's the original, if it reacts to the universe exactly how the original does, and if the universe reacts to the clone how it would to the original.
Graham2001
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Who are you responding to?
Condottiere
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Wrong thread.
Graham2001
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Something that will have to be dealt with when the Second Survey gets out that far is 'Theta Borealis'. And that's entirely down to Group One. I've finally managed to get my hands on copies of the 1981 fanzine 'Dark Star' which pretty much confirms that even then it was seen as a problem.
The most obvious issue is their stealing of one stellar nation from 'Dr Who' (The Kingdom of Peladon, featured in two Third Doctor serials.)
The most obvious issue is their stealing of one stellar nation from 'Dr Who' (The Kingdom of Peladon, featured in two Third Doctor serials.)
One option will be to simply pave it over. Marc doesn't own the Group One material. So to use it, even with the problems, requires finding the copyright owner and getting permission to use it.
And we don't have to start over completely. I know other people have done more work in the area unofficially. But enough to file the serial numbers off of the problematic bits and the copyright issues.
Graham2001
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Another 'something for the future'
GURPS Traveller: Humaniti chose to revive Peter Rasmussen's Dynchia and add another Terran derived Minor Race (The Kargol, descended from Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis.) to Leonidae Sector.
Looking at the current version of the sector, Melantris (The Dynchia homeworld) is there, but the Dynchia Comitia has not yet been added (The original five subsector version of the state is probably unviable (Before anyone says it, I do know that the JTAS 24 article put it in a different place in Leonidae...), but one covering a subsector or three is possible.
In the case of the Kargol home system, the position given Leonidae 1205 is an empty hex, there's also one other system 'Shan's Landing' that's within one parsec of that position that's also missing. Again, the source material indicates they are in charge of a small state comprising some 14 systems (Going by the current map, that would be in Sastanna Subsector).
GURPS Traveller: Humaniti chose to revive Peter Rasmussen's Dynchia and add another Terran derived Minor Race (The Kargol, descended from Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis.) to Leonidae Sector.
Looking at the current version of the sector, Melantris (The Dynchia homeworld) is there, but the Dynchia Comitia has not yet been added (The original five subsector version of the state is probably unviable (Before anyone says it, I do know that the JTAS 24 article put it in a different place in Leonidae...), but one covering a subsector or three is possible.
In the case of the Kargol home system, the position given Leonidae 1205 is an empty hex, there's also one other system 'Shan's Landing' that's within one parsec of that position that's also missing. Again, the source material indicates they are in charge of a small state comprising some 14 systems (Going by the current map, that would be in Sastanna Subsector).
As a side note, the DGP material from MegaTraveller also mentions them (e.g. there are Dynchia military vehicles described in DGP: 101 Vehicles). So it is not only a GURPS revivification.
Graham2001
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Thanks,
I don't have that DGP item, so I was not aware anyone else had looked at them between JTAS: 24 & GURPS: Humaniti.
Hi,
I am unhappy with the numbers of to9tal worlds in systems where the main
world is a poor one. I have been working on the Aslan portion of the Trojan Reach and come across things like:
Wualki TR 1038 UWP: A 3 1 0 5 4 5 – C
3 Gas Giants — 1 Planetoid Belts — 7 Other Worlds
Clan Base
The is give a very poor world but the Aslan chose to build a Clan base there.
I would be happier if there were fewer alternative worlds, in this example I have modified it to 3 alternative worlds for a total of 8 bodies in the system for my campaign.
Kind Regards
David
I am unhappy with the numbers of to9tal worlds in systems where the main
world is a poor one. I have been working on the Aslan portion of the Trojan Reach and come across things like:
Wualki TR 1038 UWP: A 3 1 0 5 4 5 – C
3 Gas Giants — 1 Planetoid Belts — 7 Other Worlds
Clan Base
The is give a very poor world but the Aslan chose to build a Clan base there.
I would be happier if there were fewer alternative worlds, in this example I have modified it to 3 alternative worlds for a total of 8 bodies in the system for my campaign.
Kind Regards
David
Sorry for the intrusion...
Is there any website/email location that I should contact regarding potential errata issues for the Travellermap.com?
While looking at the Trojan Reach sector.txt file, I spotted this:
3140 Auitawry A56689A-C Ri Pa Ph An Pz DroyW { 4 } (F7E+5) [AC7E] - KM A 514 10 NaXX G6 V
For those wondering what the issue is: allegiance is listed as NaXX, which is set to:
# Alleg: NaXX: "Non-Aligned, unclaimed"
All other worlds in that subsector with this kind of allegiance code are uninhabited worlds. This one is inhabited.
It is a minor issue, but I don't know where to send it off hand.
Thanks.
Hal
Is there any website/email location that I should contact regarding potential errata issues for the Travellermap.com?
While looking at the Trojan Reach sector.txt file, I spotted this:
3140 Auitawry A56689A-C Ri Pa Ph An Pz DroyW { 4 } (F7E+5) [AC7E] - KM A 514 10 NaXX G6 V
For those wondering what the issue is: allegiance is listed as NaXX, which is set to:
# Alleg: NaXX: "Non-Aligned, unclaimed"
All other worlds in that subsector with this kind of allegiance code are uninhabited worlds. This one is inhabited.
It is a minor issue, but I don't know where to send it off hand.
Thanks.
Hal
The two options for best attention to Joshua would either be the T5 Second Survey mailing list: http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/mailman/listinfo/t5ss_wiki.travellerrpg.com
Or as an issue on the Traveller Map GitHub: https://github.com/inexorabletash/travellermap/issues
I posted a note with a link back to your message for discussion by the T5SS interested mailing list people. Based upon a quick review I think the world should be "NaDr" : Non-Aligned (Droyne-dominated)
Thanks tjoneslo - as long as it gets to someone's attention who can or will look at it and maybe fix the issue is great. Thank you.
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