The Imperial Corridor Fleet

[aramis]

I've ben reading the Rebellion Sourcebook and am puzzled at the Tlaukhu's behaviour. Dulinor assassinates their ambassador and they take no reprisal action.

I may not share the Aslan code of honour, but I'd be sending a Tlaukhu Fleet or 37 through Verge and attacking Dulinor from the rear whilst Lucan comes the other way.

Kind Regards

David

I can see it - several things

1) the presumption that he probably offended someone. If he was armed, and word was sent that Dulinor killed him, they may have simply assumed it was a duel following the assassination.

2) Blaming Strephon - Dulinor comes in all chuffed at Strephon, and Strephon failed to defend his guests - at least strephon got what was coming to him.

3) Lucan was obviously mad as a hatter within weeks. The rest of the Embassy probably noted this and sent word.

4) The Tlaukhu are both too far away and too fragile to risk unifying the Imperium against themselves. Proud Warrior Race ≠ fool.

5) The Tlaukhu are not at a war footing when they get the news. By the time they can act, Illellish has been at a war footing for over a year.

6) Any such invasion risks triggering war with the Solomani Confed, as well.

 

[rancke]

I've ben reading the Rebellion Sourcebook and am puzzled at the Tlaukhu's behaviour. Dulinor assassinates their ambassador and they take no reprisal action.

I may not share the Aslan code of honour, but I'd be sending a Tlaukhu Fleet or 37 through Verge and attacking Dulinor from the rear whilst Lucan comes the other way.

It wasn't the Tlaukhu's ambassador. The Tlaukhu doesn't have ambassadors. Or fleets for that matter. Everything belongs to the individual Tlaukhu clans.

A lot of Aslans have situational honor rather than actual internal honor. They BEHAVE honorably because behaving dishonorably gives their allies and enemies an excuse to behave dishonorably towards them (i.e. break their words to them). Basically, honor is what others expect them to do, not what their own sense of honor compels them to do. This dynanic has caused the Aslans to turn hypocrisy into an art form.

Case in point: A lot of them did react to Dulinor's killing of that ambassador as an insult and decided it was a valid excuse to disregard the Peace of Ftahalr and invade ill-defended worlds that had hitherto been off limit under the Peace.

See, for some ineffable reason that was more honorable than sending a large chunk of their clan fleets on a mission to attack a well-defended world in Ilelish, bunch of smug, self-satisfied, landgrabbing hypocrites that they are.


Hans

 

[savage]

I've ben reading the Rebellion Sourcebook and am puzzled at the Tlaukhu's behaviour. Dulinor assassinates their ambassador and they take no reprisal action.

I may not share the Aslan code of honour, but I'd be sending a Tlaukhu Fleet or 37 through Verge and attacking Dulinor from the rear whilst Lucan comes the other way.

Kind Regards

David

No recognized succession by the Imperium to negotiate with. Had the 3I stood behind Lucan some resources may have been assigned to participate. Aramis is correct, in that the Solomani will need to always be watched.

The bottom line is that cheap land grabs make sense, but full scale supporting a single candidate does not. They could have sided with any faction. The invasions of the Marches are the ones that surprise me. There should be no sign that Norris is weak, just busy with the Vargr.

 

[rancke]

No recognized succession by the Imperium to negotiate with.

If an Aslan clan lord wanted to cooperate in some way with Lucan, the surviving son of the former emperor would be perfectly acceptable. After all, there's no proof that he killed his elder brother. If an Aslan clan lord wanted to attack Lucan somewhere, somehow, there's a perfectly honorable excuse; the dishonorable cur killed his elder brother.

Cooperating with Dulinor now... that might take too convoluted mental gymnastics to be feasible.


Hans

 

[savage]

Cooperating with Dulinor now... that might take too convoluted mental gymnastics to be feasible.


Hans

Agreed. The assassination of a foreign dignitary was an incompetent blunder.

 

[Vladika]

Cooperating with Dulinor now... that might take too convoluted mental gymnastics to be feasible.
Hans

Agreed. The assassination of a foreign dignitary was an incompetent blunder.

OK Something is seriously wrong here... You two agreed on something? And in this thread no less.

There goes Verisimilitude AND Suspension of Disbelief.

Seriously, it's nice to see.

 

[savage]

OK Something is seriously wrong here... You two agreed on something? And in this thread no less.

There goes Verisimilitude AND Suspension of Disbelief.

Seriously, it's nice to see.

This is the third time, as i recall. Briefly: First, was that that 500 ships attacking Depot should have failed. Second, was regarding Subsector fleets (however, I do believe that our numbers were somewhat different from my viewpoint).

 

[aramis]

No recognized succession by the Imperium to negotiate with. Had the 3I stood behind Lucan some resources may have been assigned to participate. Aramis is correct, in that the Solomani will need to always be watched.

The bottom line is that cheap land grabs make sense, but full scale supporting a single candidate does not. They could have sided with any faction. The invasions of the Marches are the ones that surprise me. There should be no sign that Norris is weak, just busy with the Vargr.

"Busy elsewhere" is close enough to "weak here"...

 

[savage]

"Busy elsewhere" is close enough to "weak here"...

That was the original excuse.

 

[Dagrill]

6) Any such invasion risks triggering war with the Solomani Confed, as well.

On the other hand I see the Solomani as acting correctly, there's a schism in the Vilani Empire, so they launch a broad front attack to recapture the Solomani sphere.

I think the Aslan would have noticed this and joined in for a share of the spoils,
or possibly have decided to fight the Solomani now whilst they were distracted,
although I agree getting 29 humans to agree on anything is rather difficult, I'd have thought they'd have gone for some sort of majority consensus.

Regards

David

 

[Condottiere]

Solomani intent has always been clear.

The three questions posed would be:

1. Would they stop at their original borders (at least in regards to the Imperium)?

2. Why did they have a rather weak Navy, with rather questionable doctrines?

3. Have they learned from their previous experience and improved?

 

[savage]

Solomani intent has always been clear.

The three questions posed would be:

1. Would they stop at their original borders (at least in regards to the Imperium)?

2. Why did they have a rather weak Navy, with rather questionable doctrines?

3. Have they learned from their previous experience and improved?

My two cents on the next step. Also, this would be a great moot poll.
Yes. Restore the sphere.
1. Sure, but they might continue after securing it. The Rule of Man was much larger.
2. Human politics and technology hording, I suspect.
3. Unlikely.

 

[rancke]

OK Something is seriously wrong here... You two agreed on something? And in this thread no less.

You just haven't noticed it before because for some strange reason we never argue about the things we agree on.


Hans

 

[Vladika]

You just haven't noticed it before because for some strange reason we never argue about the things we agree on.


Hans

Actually I'm not sure that is quit accurate. But, as Savage has pointed out, it did happen 3 times, he thinks.

Hans, don't take it amiss, I've learned much from the two of you "debating" issues from both perspectives. If you agreed to often it would neither be as informative, nor fun.

 

[kliner]

Missing and Duplicated Fleets

What if the missing fleets were destroyed utterly in battle, internal dynastic or versus exterior threats and never reconstituted because of disloyalty or dishonor associated with their defeat. The multiple fleets with the same number could be activated reserves and reinforcement units dispatched to link up with existing units of the same number, and they never merged nor reunited. Or they could be parts of the same fleet broken off to deal with separate missions and never reunited.

 

[savage]

What if the missing fleets were destroyed utterly in battle, internal dynastic or versus exterior threats and never reconstituted because of disloyalty or dishonor associated with their defeat. The multiple fleets with the same number could be activated reserves and reinforcement units dispatched to link up with existing units of the same number, and they never merged nor reunited. Or they could be parts of the same fleet broken off to deal with separate missions and never reunited.

All those options could be used IYTU. The reserve fleets however would be numbered differently. Destroyed, Possibly. Disloyal, doubtful. Don't recall any disloyal fleets in pre-rebellion canon.

 

[LeperColony]

All those options could be used IYTU. The reserve fleets however would be numbered differently. Destroyed, Possibly. Disloyal, doubtful. Don't recall any disloyal fleets in pre-rebellion canon.

Except for those belonging to all the Barracks Emperors...

 

[Condottiere]

By the time Augustus had complete control, you had Legions with the same numbers.

He then restructured the military into thirty permanent formations. He misplaced three later on; I believe their numbers were never used again.

 

[pendragonman]

By the time Augustus had complete control, you had Legions with the same numbers.

He then restructured the military into thirty permanent formations. He misplaced three later on; I believe their numbers were never used again.

He didn't misplace them, Publius Quinctilius Varus did. Later, something happened to the IX Hispansa as well.

 

[savage]

Except for those belonging to all the Barracks Emperors...

Very good point. I was thinking Golden Era, but loyalty during the Barracks Emperors timeframe was based on strength (probably). So, it is possible to take the YTU option that numbers we're deleted because they belonged to the wrong political group.