What happens if you upload a memory recording to a brain that isn't very similar to the original one? Would you get problems interpreting the signals?
Hans
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What happens if you upload a memory recording to a brain that isn't very similar to the original one? Would you get problems interpreting the signals?
Hans
Well, Timmii, that depends. 
My ruling is that humans can probably map to human brains. Human to near humans should work, sign this waiver please, now sit here...humans to non-human Sophont brains? Ummm, how similar to humans are they? That is going to start the difficulty level. And last human to cybernetic or pure synthetic brain structured like or for humans is fine, mostly, I mean who starts rumors about brain-jacking anyway? :devil:
Two possibilities, see below.
The transferred memory might not take permanently. The length of time it takes for the memory to dissipate could depend on the degree of difference or sameness. For the PC it might seem like a weird fever dream or shamanic experience, with the details soon being forgotten.
T5 has Sanity rules and the Ref can invoke a SAN check if the PC gets infected with some really weird memory or meme, or if Cthulhu touches the character's brain.
So when you catch the crime lord who has been using this technology for 500 years, you can resurrect the witnesses and detectives from centuries back to testify at the trial. Of course the trial will be unnecessary as the Godfather will plead guilty so he can be executed so that he can be resurrected again....
Excellent point. A Relict individual may remember that they had a memory download, but dealing with their own death will likely produce some emotional problems. If the Relict isn't decanted at the same age as the original individual, they'd have to rebuild their life (spouse, kids, colleagues, friends, etc), which could induce further strain and disconnection from the society around them. Soldiers returning home from dangerous operational theatres struggle mightily with emotions. A Relict who wasn't the same as whom they're replacing could have significant issues.
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mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
This is moving into Eclipse Phase territory.
It actually given me some ideas for a transhumanist setting towards the end of the Rule of Man, the Long Night being the result of the machine intelligences and the transhumanists deciding to move away and leave charted space for the almost baselines who are left.
During the Long Night considerable bias builds up against sun technologies so by the time of the 3I there is considerable cultural bias against such tech being used.
Any world that finds itself at TL12 starting down this transhumanist path is an immediate case for psychohistory experimentation and/or interdiction.
It actually given me some ideas for a transhumanist setting towards the end of the Rule of Man, the Long Night being the result of the machine intelligences and the transhumanists deciding to move away and leave charted space for the almost baselines who are left.
During the Long Night considerable bias builds up against sun technologies so by the time of the 3I there is considerable cultural bias against such tech being used.
Any world that finds itself at TL12 starting down this transhumanist path is an immediate case for psychohistory experimentation and/or interdiction.
Emo, my butt.
Geeez, give a clone some credit. I get it I am a copy of myself. *shakes head* Some folks really should think about it just like the Insurance brochure says. Probably got the update and then never though about it till they got woken up in Recovery. Seen it bunches of times, sad sort of, they never seem to live as fully all broken up about dying and being a copy of a dead person.
Or since I planned for the possibility I am wondering what killed me and if it might try again, but I get I am me, and I was me and that me is dead now. I will have some embarrassing moments at social functions and maybe my work depending on what it was, but again if I planned on getting up a Relict then I probably know where to find the missing info. We were clever enough to get back up after dying, I think we can handle the existential BS fine, I mean it is not like I am some backwater, low tech primitive after all.
Geeez, give a clone some credit. I get it I am a copy of myself. *shakes head* Some folks really should think about it just like the Insurance brochure says. Probably got the update and then never though about it till they got woken up in Recovery. Seen it bunches of times, sad sort of, they never seem to live as fully all broken up about dying and being a copy of a dead person.
Richard Morgan's "Altered Carbon"
A very interesting novel on the possibilities of cloning and memory/personality transfer.
Magnus just reminded me of one strand of the plot: Wealthy man dies mysteriously and his clone with memory back-up is activated. Those investigating the crime think the man committed a crime between the last time he backed up and when he died. They suspect he killed himself to remove knowledge of the crime from his memory.
I don't want to give away too much of the plot, but interesting legal questions these clones bring up. :CoW:
A very interesting novel on the possibilities of cloning and memory/personality transfer.
Magnus just reminded me of one strand of the plot: Wealthy man dies mysteriously and his clone with memory back-up is activated. Those investigating the crime think the man committed a crime between the last time he backed up and when he died. They suspect he killed himself to remove knowledge of the crime from his memory.
I don't want to give away too much of the plot, but interesting legal questions these clones bring up. :CoW:
Ackehece
SOC-13
separate person separate guilt
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2004-05-23
and the punchline
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2004-05-24
attempted suicide
Given the ability to work with memories, HUGE amounts of data given what's stored in someone's scone, you could factor in for some emplaced programming to prevent depression or major psych problems. It's not really BS though - I've seen some pretty tough hombres return from overseas with a few issues (though there was this one EOD sergeant major who did a couple of Hurt-Locker style deployments who was pretty grounded...). Though, that came down to the individual, their support networks, their worldview and sense of purpose and a pile of other things too, so I certainly wouldn't make sweeping generalisations about what must happen.
Eeeew, no emotions! You remember them, and you remember that you should feel certain emotions about certain people or events - but no emotions. You'd even have your old habitual patterns of reaction - but no energy to drive them. Half the emotional context is driven by biological cues, and you no longer have a biology to react. It's like going from feeling everything in bright primary colors to feeling everything in faded pastels: passion becomes a remembered fondness, fury becomes irritation.
Nope. Life without parole becomes a real threat.
I worry more about mistakes: a soldier settling back into his life only to find out that his doppelganger actually survived the battle that supposedly killed him.
Sigh. This will open a whole new :CoW:.
So, you are a Solomani Ambassador or even an Intelligence Agent operating in the 3I, or anyone that the 3I deems to be of importance/interest for that matter.
What do you do when you have missing time? What do you assume when you are caught on your mission, and after a 48 hour holding time, sent back to your government?
Do you assume you have been memory taped and cheek swabbed, and that everything you know is now, or soon will be, in the hands of 3I intelligence? Whats to stop Intelligence agencies from (preferably without your knowledge) arranging for you to "get drunk at a party and pass out" (or just gas your sleeping quarters to get you in your sleep) so you can be taped and cheek swabbed so they can interrogate what is in essence an unending supply of "you" for all that you know? How would you even know it has happened?
I know. It's a dark thought. But why wouldn't these technologies be used in this fashion? The cost is NOT prohibitive for an interstellar polity, and Governments have no more conscience than the persons who run them.
Just a thought. :devil:
So, you are a Solomani Ambassador or even an Intelligence Agent operating in the 3I, or anyone that the 3I deems to be of importance/interest for that matter.
What do you do when you have missing time? What do you assume when you are caught on your mission, and after a 48 hour holding time, sent back to your government?
Do you assume you have been memory taped and cheek swabbed, and that everything you know is now, or soon will be, in the hands of 3I intelligence? Whats to stop Intelligence agencies from (preferably without your knowledge) arranging for you to "get drunk at a party and pass out" (or just gas your sleeping quarters to get you in your sleep) so you can be taped and cheek swabbed so they can interrogate what is in essence an unending supply of "you" for all that you know? How would you even know it has happened?
I know. It's a dark thought. But why wouldn't these technologies be used in this fashion? The cost is NOT prohibitive for an interstellar polity, and Governments have no more conscience than the persons who run them.
Just a thought. :devil:
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Actually, currently, the presumption is that if a high level individual has missing time, they've been hit with some drugs that reduce individual resistance to suggestion.
Scopalamine c makes for interesting interrogation chemistry already - darned close to Bujold's Fast-Penta. You don't resist instructions, and you don't remember the interrogation. If you're hallucinating from it, that may make it harder to cope with, but an antipsychotic with it should cure that.
However, in my examples case, no trace of any drug in your system will ever be found, nor will you have ever told a soul a thing....and yet, "you" tell them everything.
Cancel that. lol
(slightly out of topic)
I once refereed an adventure where one of the characters was a SolSec agent. The Solomani being masters of biology and medicine, they had made him allergyc (severe anaphylaxis) to truth drugs, just to avoid that...
HOWEVER, he is not allergic to knock out gas, and brain-taping, and cheek-swabbing. Nor will clones be allergic to the interrogations they will receive from 3I Iteligence.
Just sayin,
HOWEVER, he is not allergic to knock out gas, and brain-taping, and cheek-swabbing. Nor will clones be allergic to the interrogations they will receive from 3I Iteligence.
Just sayin,
It was MT, brain-taping did not exist (or at least I had not read anything about it)...
Alls cool, just turned it into an example for the current topic. No dis-respect meant.
