the Roger Young (starship troopers)

[Prometheus]

what abou the " Tours " or the " Normandy " or the (

take off your hat when you say this) Valley Forge.

Poor Company K

 

[savage]

So, has anyone put together the Roger Young "book version"?

Savage

 

[robject]

Thread Resurrect

From this post, it seems that the Rodger Young from the book is very much like the big brother to the Kinunir.

Therefore, I'd put particle accelerator barbettes on that beastie.

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Draft T5 Design (weapons are currently speculative)

Volume Component
(3,000) Hull, streamlined
60 Bridge
150 Hull AV-5
91 Jump-S2 (J5)
67 Maneuver-S2 (M5)
105 Power plant-S2 (3400Mj)
68 PPlant fuel
1,500 Jump fuel
7 7 Triple laser turrets
5 5 Triple missile turrets
5 5 Triple sand turrets
3 3 Drop capsule turrets
50 10 PA turrets
180 180 drop capsules
212 53 Staterooms
320 Hangar w/2 40-ton recovery boats
174 Hold</pre>[/QUOTE]

 

[BetterThanLife]

I always thought the Kinunir was close. Platoon of Marines, Recovery boat and drop capsules.

 

[The Oz]

How's this for the Rodger Young?

Ship: Rodger Young
Class: TL12CT
Type: Corvette Transport
Architect: Osmanski
Tech Level: 12

USP

CT-B3267F2-070000-30004-0 MCr 2,056.753 2 KTons
Bat Bear             2     2   2   Crew: 89
Bat                  2     2   2   TL: 12

Cargo: 150.000 Fuel: 540.000 EP: 140.000 Agility: 6 Marines: 54 Drop Capsules: 3 (plus 54 Ready 180 Stored)
Craft: 1 x 30T Ship's Boat
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification

Architects Fee: MCr 20.268 Cost in Quantity: MCr 1,651.402


Detailed Description

HULL
2,000.000 tons standard, 28,000.000 cubic meters, Cylinder Configuration

CREW
11 Officers, 24 Ratings, 54 Marines

ENGINEERING
Jump-2, 6G Manuever, Power plant-7, 140.000 EP, Agility 6

AVIONICS
Bridge, Model/6fib Computer

HARDPOINTS
20 Hardpoints

ARMAMENT
8 Triple Missile Turrets organised into 2 Batteries (Factor-4), 2 Triple Beam Laser Turrets organised into 2 Batteries (Factor-3)

DEFENCES
10 Triple Sandcaster Turrets organised into 2 Batteries (Factor-7)

CRAFT
1 30.000 ton Ship's Boat (Crew of 2, Cost of MCr 30.000)

FUEL
540.000 Tons Fuel (2 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant

MISCELLANEOUS
60.0 Staterooms, 3 Drop Capsule Launchers with 54 Ready Capsules and 180 Stored Capsules, 150.000 Tons Cargo

USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
None

COST
MCr 2,047.020 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 20.268), MCr 1,621.402 in Quantity, plus MCr 30.000 of Carried Craft

CONSTRUCTION TIME
132 Weeks Singly, 106 Weeks in Quantity

COMMENTS

 

[robject]

I like that even better. I'll aim for a 2400-ton version (a "double Kinunir").

 

[far-trader]

Umm, I know this is a loooooong time coming (first meant to post when the thread started but kept forgetting ) but for a reality check I saw the measures and scale of a very nice resin model way back.

My quick estimate at the time puts the Starship Troopers Rodger Young (from the movie) in the neighbourhood of 72,000dtons. That's taking 50% of the full dimensions of the scale model which has it about 332m long x 86m high x 68m wide. Even figuring my 50% empty space is off the thing is much much bigger than the Kinunir

Let's say even only 10% of the full dimensions is actual displacement it'd still be about 14,000dtons.

Now, go build it again, build it BIGGER!

I see it as the difference between Book 2 and Book 5. The original (old) Rodger Young is a Book 2 "Small Ship" universe design, the newer (movie) Rodger Young is a Book 5 "Big Ship universe design.

 

[The Oz]

I was only thinking of the Rodger Young of the novel. As far as I'm concerned, the movie doesn't even exist. About the only thing it had in common with the novel was the title.

 

[far-trader]

Agree with you to a point Oz, just figured the thread needed more perspective.

 

[pendragonman]

I was only thinking of the Rodger Young of the novel. As far as I'm concerned, the movie doesn't even exist. About the only thing it had in common with the novel was the title.

While I agree with you to a point, the movie DID try, on its miniscule budget, to approximate the feel of the book.

 

[aramis]

While I agree with you to a point, the movie DID try, on its miniscule budget, to approximate the feel of the book.

Considering the the director was trying to discredit the book, and its message, by his own admission...

The movie is a parody of the book.

 

[Andrew Boulton]

I like the film *and* the book.

This isn't the place to discuss politics, though.

 

[The Oz]

Trying to get back to the subject....

Just how many troopers were carried by the movie version of the Rodger Young? Perhaps they need such a big ship?

If the movie ship only carried one platoon, there's no way to justify it as a TRAVELLER ship; not a "corvette transport," anyway.

 

[far-trader]

I don't recall a hard number but it's been a while since I saw the movie. I seem to recall the model having several landing craft and fighters though and a suggestion of a large force, company size at least and probably more I'd guess.

That is one of the major differences between the two. The novel has a few troops, in power armor, making an orbital drop. The movie has lots and lots of troops, in standard armor, landing in drop ships.

 

[The Oz]

72,000 dtons is a regimental transport at the least, in TRAVELLER terms. Even a 14,000 dtons ship can easily carry a battalion (without vehicles).

 

[far-trader]

72,000 dtons is a regimental transport at the least, in TRAVELLER terms. Even a 14,000 dtons ship can easily carry a battalion (without vehicles).

And travel half way across the galaxy?

But I'd say you're probably right about the capacity, though the support craft and facilities could take up a good chunk of the volume.

 

[veltyen]

And travel half way across the galaxy?

But I'd say you're probably right about the capacity, though the support craft and facilities could take up a good chunk of the volume.

Hey, just say that the fuel requirement is two 4 parsec jumps.

80% fuel (minimum - that's without power plant fuel) really cuts into carrying capacity.

 

[The Oz]

Movie-based "Rodger Young"

Ship: Rodger Young
Class: TL12AK
Type: Assault Ship
Architect: Osmanski
Tech Level: 12

USP

        AK-P4335F4-491106-87808-G MCr 58,759.512 72 KTons
Bat Bear             A   6 G82 G   Crew: 2917
Bat                  C   8 LA2 L   TL: 12

Cargo: 1,250.000 Fuel: 25,200.000 EP: 3,600.000 Agility: 3 Marines: 2000
Craft: 80 x 10T Fighter, 80 x 50T Dropship, 1 10T Launch Tubes, 1 50T Launch Tubes
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification

Architects Fee: MCr 587.595 Cost in Quantity: MCr 47,007.610


Detailed Description

HULL
72,000.000 tons standard, 1,008,000.000 cubic meters, Close Structure Configuration

CREW
58 Officers, 779 Ratings, 80 Pilots, 2000 Marines

ENGINEERING
Jump-3, 3G Manuever, Power plant-5, 3,600.000 EP, Agility 3

AVIONICS
Bridge, Model/6fib Computer

HARDPOINTS
10 100-ton bays, 30 50-ton bays, 320 Hardpoints

ARMAMENT
2 100-ton Particle Accelerator Bays (Factor-8), 20 50-ton Missile Bays (Factor-8), 10 50-ton Fusion Gun Bays (Factor-7), 200 Triple Beam Laser Turrets organised into 20 Batteries (Factor-8)

DEFENCES
8 100-ton Repulsor Bays (Factor-6), 120 Triple Sandcaster Turrets organised into 12 Batteries (Factor-9), Nuclear Damper (Factor-1), Meson Screen (Factor-1), Armoured Hull (Factor-4)

CRAFT
80 10.000 ton Fighters (Crew of 1, Cost of MCr 0.000), 80 50.000 ton Dropships (Crew of 2, Cost of MCr 0.000), 1 10.000 ton Launch Tube, 1 50.000 ton Launch Tube

FUEL
25,200.000 Tons Fuel (3 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant

MISCELLANEOUS
1,500.0 Staterooms, 1,250.000 Tons Cargo

USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
None

COST
MCr 59,347.107 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 587.595), MCr 47,007.610 in Quantity

CONSTRUCTION TIME
194 Weeks Singly, 155 Weeks in Quantity

COMMENTS
The ship seen in the movie, this vessel can carry and drop an entire regiment
of infantry at one time, covering them with her own extensive armament and
the eight squadrons of fighters. The fighters can also act as gunships in
support of the troops once landed.

Each dropship can carry a platoon of troops. Four dropships carry a company,
20 dropships a battalion, and the full force of 80 dropships can land the whole
regiment in one mass assault, if needed.

The ship has a heavy armament, including particle accelerators, fusion guns,
laser turrets, and missile bays. Her defenses include light armor, the best
screens available, and considerable sandcaster and repulsor batteries.

 

[Daneel Olivaw]

The movie version of the RY was quoted by Carmen Ibanez as being "a million tons of starship". For what it's worth, I think the ship looked that large. Verhoeven's was going for a "big" look to the whole movie, so the ships were huge.

I liked both as well. My adult brain prefers the novel, while my child brain (whose existence I am loath to admit) thinks the movie was cool!

 

[far-trader]

Rodger Young (movie version)



That's a smashing good design at a quick look Oz! Thanks!

Daneel Olivaw, that "million tons" was probably meant as weight* so 72Ktons displacement is probably close enough. And my brain seems to be built a lot like yours Fan of both for different reasons, and they argue constantly

* I wouldn't trust a Hollywood type to know the difference