the Roger Young (starship troopers)

[Daneel Olivaw]

* I wouldn't trust a Hollywood type to know the difference

Nor would I

 

[robject]

Double-Kinunir version.

Volume    Component
(2,400)   Hull-Z
    48    Bridge
   120    Armor-5
    71    Jump-T2 (J5)
   191    Maneuver-T2 (J5)
   111    Power Plant-U2 (3800Mj)
    76    PPlant fuel
 1,200    Jump fuel
   180    Staterooms/45
   180    Drop capsules/180
   160    Hangar w/40-ton recovery boat
     8    Triple laser turrets/8
     8    Triple sand turrets/8
    40    PA barbettes/8
     7    Hold

 

[BetterThanLife]

If you are carrying them awake, and there is no mention of cold sleep for the MI troopers, then carrying a company, plus supplies, equipment, and recovery boats, is going to be in the 5000 ton range at jump 3 and probably in the 7000 ton range at Jump-4. Carrying the outsized platoon of the book requires around 2000-2500 tons. But start with the Kinunir and go from there.

 

[far-trader]

If you are carrying them awake, and there is no mention of cold sleep for the MI troopers, then... carrying the outsized platoon of the book requires around 2000-2500 tons. But start with the Kinunir and go from there.

Well, I did it up quickie B2 version a while back at 1000tons and started updating it when this thread came back. I was going to comb through it to check for problems and polish it up a bit but haven't got back to it yet. So I'll just throw it out here for comments in the meantime instead

TFCT - Terran Fleet Corvette Transport - TL13 - Journeyman Design Bureau

Inspired by the novel "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein

 [FONT=Courier New]CT Book 2 Design:

+1000T  Hull - Custom                           100.000
         Streamlined                             10.000

  -80T  Jump Drive Q3                           150.000
  -29T  Maneuver Q3                              60.000
  -46T  Powerplant Q3                           120.000

 -300T  Fuel x3P
  -30T  Fuel x4W

  -20T  Bridge - Military                         5.000
   -9T    Computer m/7                           80.000

  -10T  Hardpoints x10 (1)                        1.000
          Cap Lchr x3                             3.000
          Tri Plse x6                            15.000
          Tri Misl x1                             3.250

  -72T  Crew Quarters x18 (2)                     9.000
 -112T  Army Quarters x28 (3)                    14.000

 -108T  Drop Capsules x108 (4)
          and loading
  -54T  Battle Dress x54 (5)
          and armory

 -100T  Retrieval Boats x2 (6)
          in berths

  -30T  Cargo hold (7)

[/FONT]

(1) I think the capsule launchers should require a hardpoint and control, and a gunner each. From the deckplans (one source of inspiration) there are three. Also from a nice illustration (another source of inspiration, see below) that seems to be a fair match to the deckplans there are 6 small turrets down the upper spine (presuming the 3 shown are balanced with 3 not seen). That leaves 1 more hardpoint for the one shown on the deckplan.

(2) Naval Crew consists of 8 Officers and 20 Enlisted ranks. Officers have individual staterooms, enlisted ranks share double occupancy. Composition: Captain(O), Executive Officer(O), Pilot(O), Navigator(O), Engineering Officer(O), Medical Officer(O), Boat Pilots(O) x2, Administrative NCOs(E) x3, Engineers(E) x4, Gunners(E) x12, Steward(E).

(3) Army Crew consists of 1 Officer and 53 Enlisted ranks. The Lieutenant and Leading Sergeant have individual staterooms, the rest share double occupancy (possibly bunk room arrangement). Composition: Lieutenant(O), Leading Sergeant(E), Section Sergeants(E) x2, Section Corporals(E) x2, Squad Corporals(E) x6, Squad Specialists(E) x6, Squad Privates(E) x36.

(4) Counting the drop capsules on the deckplan and filling in the empty space in the chutes comes to about 52 each side, add 4 more for the center chute, and you get 108, enough for two deployments of the entire platoon.

(5) I figure 1T per trooper is enough for BD and kit and room to suit up.

(6) Uses the modular cutter for design parameters. Each is capable of quick extraction or deployment of a full section and in a pinch could squeeze in the whole platoon.

(7) Primarily for life support supplies for extended missions.

Paperback cover illustration for inspiration:

 

[robject]

FT: Good catch re the hardpoint requirment per drop-capsule launcher. And, good catch allocating storage space for battle dress.

BTL: Good catch re carrying troops as frozen watch. (I don't suppose I can carry them in emergency low berths? No, I guess not.)

Volume    Component
(2,400)   Hull-Z
    48    Bridge
   120    Armor-5
    71    Jump-T2 (J5)
   191    Maneuver-T2 (J5)
   111    Power Plant-U2 (3800Mj)
    76    PPlant fuel
 1,200    Jump fuel
    80    Staterooms/20
    54    Frozen watch x 108
    54    Armory
   108    Drop capsules/108
   160    Hangar w/40-ton recovery boat
          Hardpoints x 24:
     4       Drop capsule launcher x 4
     7       Triple pulse lasers x 7
     7       Triple sandcasters x 7
    30       PA Barbettes x 6
    79    Hold

 

[BetterThanLife]

FT: Good catch re the hardpoint requirment per drop-capsule launcher. And, good catch allocating storage space for battle dress.

BTL: Good catch re carrying troops as frozen watch. (I don't suppose I can carry them in emergency low berths? No, I guess not.)

Actually I was pointing out that the book implies and the movie shows that the troops were carried awake. So I was attempting to state that you have to have staterooms and not carry them as Popsicles.

In the book the MI armor is probably in the neighborhood of .25-.5 dtons. So that has to be taken into account for cargo carriage purposes. (T20 Battledress size is about right.) Each MI trooper was a walking MBT. (With 4 or 5 different weapons built into the armor.)

Further they dropped 3-5 capsules for each trooper dropped. (Though the Decoy capsules could be inflatable or something similar and take up less space than the capsules carrying troops.) I also seem to remember three tubes to kick out the capsules but I could be off on that.

 

[Nuker1337]

I'm totally new to this forum and all these "dton"-prefixes you're using... But for the motion picture version of the RY it is said that it weighs 500,000 ton(nes/s?) and length estimates say that it is approximately 1-2 kilometres in length, which forces it to be made out of very lightweight materials in order to weigh so little ,probably made out of wood with aluminum foil on top of it to make it look like metal, which also may be the reason it could be sliced on the middle by bug farts whose yields are estimated to be less than a few hundred kilos worth of TNT.
Anyway, I want to create a scene in lightwave where bug farts slice the RY in pieces and I would thus be very interested in any 3d models of it. I registered here only because of this reason and I'm very unpleased by the fast that there is so little info regarding this interesting vessel.

 

[GypsyComet]

A "dton" is a "displacement ton", or 14m3. It is a unit of volume in the RPG rules this forum exists to support. While those rules *can* do Starship Troopers, they *aren't* Starship Troopers. Hence the very light discussion of topics involving the book, movie, or TV series, or elements of them. Blame Google for pointing you here.

Another game company, Mongoose, is supposedly working on a new edition of tabletop game for Starship Troopers that will be based on rules related to what we discuss here, but I don't know if they are going to be very helpful regarding 3D modeling sources either.

You might have better luck with the folks at Starship Modeller. While they focus on building real (and often scratch built) models as opposed to digital, you may find more visual references there.

 

[aramis]

I'm totally new to this forum and all these "dton"-prefixes you're using... But for the motion picture version of the RY it is said that it weighs 500,000 ton(nes/s?) and length estimates say that it is approximately 1-2 kilometres in length, which forces it to be made out of very lightweight materials in order to weigh so little ,probably made out of wood with aluminum foil on top of it to make it look like metal, which also may be the reason it could be sliced on the middle by bug farts whose yields are estimated to be less than a few hundred kilos worth of TNT.
Anyway, I want to create a scene in lightwave where bug farts slice the RY in pieces and I would thus be very interested in any 3d models of it. I registered here only because of this reason and I'm very unpleased by the fast that there is so little info regarding this interesting vessel.

In general, starships mass 5 to 20 metric tons per displacement ton; 5 would be large megafreighters, while 20 would be small heavily armored slow ships... like system defense boats.
Using a median 10Tm (Tons Metric) per Dton gives the Roger about 50,000Td (Tons Displacement), or 700,000 cubic meters... assuming about 10:1:1 aspect ratio, she's about 413m

Making her 30:2:1 (longer than she looks on screen), and freighter weight, she only stretches to 870m or so... and will float on water... or ammonia...

So, either the mass is wrong, or the length is.