Travelling with the times...

[Sophiathegreen]

Originally posted by TRAV:
Sophia your post about the AK47 was good. My understanding is that currently the three military rifle designs most commonly used in the world today in order are:
1 AK type actions
2 M16/AR15 type actions
3 M-1 Carbine

This is just a bit of trivia but the AK and the M-1 carbine have existed since the 1940s to me that is major technological longevity...

Sorry for the OT but I wanted to show off...

I have than friend who service in Vietman who have than broken down M-16 which has to be sent all way back to the states to be repair and will take one year time to get it back. The unit have no spare M-16 rifle so he pick up than AK-47 rifle an use it
for 1 whole year an refuse to take the M-16 when it came repair. The whole unit change over to useing the AK-47 as it was better in juncle warfare.

I donot want my computer to be than micrwave oven or than bed. I have than view that item could concentrate on they main function and do it in the simplely way necress to do the job. When I brought than coffree maker I brought the simpler model I donot want than coffree maker that does too many unrelate job like make your toat and acting like than radio too.

 

[Sophiathegreen]

Originally posted by TRAV:
Sophia your post about the AK47 was good. My understanding is that currently the three military rifle designs most commonly used in the world today in order are:
1 AK type actions
2 M16/AR15 type actions
3 M-1 Carbine

This is just a bit of trivia but the AK and the M-1 carbine have existed since the 1940s to me that is major technological longevity...

Sorry for the OT but I wanted to show off...

I have than friend who service in Vietman who have than broken down M-16 which has to be sent all way back to the states to be repair and will take one year time to get it back. The unit have no spare M-16 rifle so he pick up than AK-47 rifle an use it
for 1 whole year an refuse to take the M-16 when it came repair. The whole unit change over to useing the AK-47 as it was better in juncle warfare.

I donot want my computer to be than micrwave oven or than bed. I have than view that item could concentrate on they main function and do it in the simplely way necress to do the job. When I brought than coffree maker I brought the simpler model I donot want than coffree maker that does too many unrelate job like make your toat and acting like than radio too.

 

[mad13142000]

Originally posted by hirch duckfinder:
WHAT??????
NO SMURFS?????????????

Well, In the spirit of ANNIC NOVA, I have a design for an experimental jump drive that runs on any small, blue beings...

-MADDog

 

[mad13142000]

Originally posted by hirch duckfinder:
WHAT??????
NO SMURFS?????????????

Well, In the spirit of ANNIC NOVA, I have a design for an experimental jump drive that runs on any small, blue beings...

-MADDog

 

[Dynamo]

"I have than friend who service in Vietman who have than broken down M-16 which has to be sent all way back to the states to be repair and will take one year time to get it back. The unit have no spare M-16 rifle so he pick up than AK-47 rifle an use it
for 1 whole year an refuse to take the M-16 when it came repair. The whole unit change over to useing the AK-47 as it was better in juncle warfare."

Sorry but I have to throw up a bull excrement flag on this play.

You have a friend who for some reason had to send his rifle back to the States from Vietnam.... and it took a whole year for him to get a replacement for the US Armys main battle rifle which had hundreds of thousands in storage back home and in Vietnam. I seriously doubt that. I dont doubt that he decided to use an AK (many soldiers did)
but the stated reasons cannot be valid.

 

[Dynamo]

"I have than friend who service in Vietman who have than broken down M-16 which has to be sent all way back to the states to be repair and will take one year time to get it back. The unit have no spare M-16 rifle so he pick up than AK-47 rifle an use it
for 1 whole year an refuse to take the M-16 when it came repair. The whole unit change over to useing the AK-47 as it was better in juncle warfare."

Sorry but I have to throw up a bull excrement flag on this play.

You have a friend who for some reason had to send his rifle back to the States from Vietnam.... and it took a whole year for him to get a replacement for the US Armys main battle rifle which had hundreds of thousands in storage back home and in Vietnam. I seriously doubt that. I dont doubt that he decided to use an AK (many soldiers did)
but the stated reasons cannot be valid.

 

[Uncle Bob]

OTOH, when the North Vietnamese army overwhelmed ARVN in 1975 the roads were lined with AKMs as the NVA soldiers discarded their Kaslishnikovs and picked up abandoned South Vietnmese M16A1s. By some reports, when the NVA reached Saigon all you could see were T-54 tanks and M16s.

Two years earlier the Israeli army had their own version of the Kalishnikov called the Galil. During the 1973 war they got a bunch of M16A1s to issue to rear-echelon troops and reservists still using FN FALs. As soon as the Israeli infantry saw them they insisted on using the M16s themselves and let the REMFs have the Galils.

Better you could look at the Soviet-Afghan war of the 1980s. The Afghans often started with bolt-action Enfield rifles vs Soviet tanks and automatic weapons. Or the battle of Islandwana were Zulu tribesmen with spears overwhelmed 2000 British soldiers armed with breechloading rifles.

 

[Uncle Bob]

OTOH, when the North Vietnamese army overwhelmed ARVN in 1975 the roads were lined with AKMs as the NVA soldiers discarded their Kaslishnikovs and picked up abandoned South Vietnmese M16A1s. By some reports, when the NVA reached Saigon all you could see were T-54 tanks and M16s.

Two years earlier the Israeli army had their own version of the Kalishnikov called the Galil. During the 1973 war they got a bunch of M16A1s to issue to rear-echelon troops and reservists still using FN FALs. As soon as the Israeli infantry saw them they insisted on using the M16s themselves and let the REMFs have the Galils.

Better you could look at the Soviet-Afghan war of the 1980s. The Afghans often started with bolt-action Enfield rifles vs Soviet tanks and automatic weapons. Or the battle of Islandwana were Zulu tribesmen with spears overwhelmed 2000 British soldiers armed with breechloading rifles.

 

[Ranger]

Ok, this is really off the main topic, but since everyone else wants to talk about it...

I actualy knew a guy who was a brevited Platoon Commander in the USMC in Vietnam. His whole company 'mutinied' when they were told they were going to have to turn in their M14s for M16s. Mutinied is a strong word, but they refused to turn in their M14s. M16s had a very bad rep when they first came out.

The first generation was designed for the Air Force who wanted a weapon with a light round that would not damage aircraft when defending airfields. The test firing for the AR15 used a higher quality ammunition propellent than the general military grade used by the Army and Marines. As a result, the field issue M16s jammed a lot. The first solution was to crome the bolt (I actually was issued one of these once in Ranger School), then to redesign the weapon with a forward assit, which turned it into an M16A1.

Ok, enough weapons trivia...

 

[Ranger]

Ok, this is really off the main topic, but since everyone else wants to talk about it...

I actualy knew a guy who was a brevited Platoon Commander in the USMC in Vietnam. His whole company 'mutinied' when they were told they were going to have to turn in their M14s for M16s. Mutinied is a strong word, but they refused to turn in their M14s. M16s had a very bad rep when they first came out.

The first generation was designed for the Air Force who wanted a weapon with a light round that would not damage aircraft when defending airfields. The test firing for the AR15 used a higher quality ammunition propellent than the general military grade used by the Army and Marines. As a result, the field issue M16s jammed a lot. The first solution was to crome the bolt (I actually was issued one of these once in Ranger School), then to redesign the weapon with a forward assit, which turned it into an M16A1.

Ok, enough weapons trivia...

 

[trader jim]

Fried Smurf...ooops.....wrong thread....but still yummy!!!

 

[trader jim]

Fried Smurf...ooops.....wrong thread....but still yummy!!!

 

[Cymew]

This is a very interesting thread. How do you travel with the times...

I have just started a Traveller adventure. It's my first Traveller game in 10 years and I have decided to stay fairly close to canon. But some things I must chnage for the world to make any sense for my players.

1. Nanotech sounds very unlikely for us, it is *very* rae in MTU, but not non-existent.
2. Biotech. Considering how this field is expanding today I guess biology, genetics and biotech are going to have to be more visble in MTU.

3. Robotics, I have decided that AI is available but they are far and few between and not sentient.

4. Computers. Even today they are fairly big if you buy reliable stuff...

 

[Cymew]

This is a very interesting thread. How do you travel with the times...

I have just started a Traveller adventure. It's my first Traveller game in 10 years and I have decided to stay fairly close to canon. But some things I must chnage for the world to make any sense for my players.

1. Nanotech sounds very unlikely for us, it is *very* rae in MTU, but not non-existent.
2. Biotech. Considering how this field is expanding today I guess biology, genetics and biotech are going to have to be more visble in MTU.

3. Robotics, I have decided that AI is available but they are far and few between and not sentient.

4. Computers. Even today they are fairly big if you buy reliable stuff...

 

[Uncle Bob]

Originally posted by Cymew:
4. Computers. Even today they are fairly big if you buy reliable stuff...

Sorry, this is my hobby-horse. "Fairly big" for a computer, better than a type 3 and ruggedized to milspec, is about 0.1 dton with interface, displays, power supply, etc.

Commercial computer centers in the 2-20 dton range are either "supercomputers" or arrays of servers, and either have capabilities far beyond TL15.

Either suck it up and ignore the inconsistancy ("I know its wrong, but those are the rules") or write house rules. (I have posted some. Search for "computer interface" for citizen 140). Do not try to alibi the computer rules. A knowledgable player will cut you to pieces.

 

[Uncle Bob]

Originally posted by Cymew:
4. Computers. Even today they are fairly big if you buy reliable stuff...

Sorry, this is my hobby-horse. "Fairly big" for a computer, better than a type 3 and ruggedized to milspec, is about 0.1 dton with interface, displays, power supply, etc.

Commercial computer centers in the 2-20 dton range are either "supercomputers" or arrays of servers, and either have capabilities far beyond TL15.

Either suck it up and ignore the inconsistancy ("I know its wrong, but those are the rules") or write house rules. (I have posted some. Search for "computer interface" for citizen 140). Do not try to alibi the computer rules. A knowledgable player will cut you to pieces.

 

[Anthony]

Computers are one of several places where Traveller vastly overestimates the actual size of a component.

I mean, consider the bridge on a Free Trader. 20 dtons, or 280 cubic meters. That's approximately equal in size to a squash court or a two-bedroom apartment, and is ridiculously large given the crew.

 

[Anthony]

Computers are one of several places where Traveller vastly overestimates the actual size of a component.

I mean, consider the bridge on a Free Trader. 20 dtons, or 280 cubic meters. That's approximately equal in size to a squash court or a two-bedroom apartment, and is ridiculously large given the crew.

 

[Jame]

This sort of shows that Traveller, or at least CT and TNE (less so) is generous with space requirements and crew needs.

 

[Jame]

This sort of shows that Traveller, or at least CT and TNE (less so) is generous with space requirements and crew needs.