Bishop Odo
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DS9 here, epic stories and battles, very little time travel, and alternative timelines. Mean how many times did the Enterprise-D or Voyager blow was up in the middle of the season. You knew it was a timeline episode, too predicable. The Enterprise series violated so much cannon in the begging, by the time they explained the evolution or the logic behind it much of the core audience left. It was just a train wreck, if you ask me. I swear the writers never heard of the TOS, it’s kind of like Traveller, don’t change the past move forward....
I still love the line, Avery Brooks said, “I'm not Pickard.”
I still love the line, Avery Brooks said, “I'm not Pickard.”
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Ok here are couple that I own and like (Note: I am not a big fan of reading stories of TV showes. So I don't own many)
Greg Cox wrote The Eugenics Wars two books that I know of. If you loved Khan Noonien Singh then you will like this bit of history of Earth and the man.
Greg Cox also wrote Star Trek Assignment: Eternity . Makes you wonder who else is out there
William Shatner wrote various books but the ones that I like was the Star Trek: Odyssey series. Takes place after Kirk dies.
The others I can't remember their names.
I read the series of books on Spock working for the Federation on Romulas. Liked them.
A couple about Scotty, not as much fun to read.
Books on Sulu were good. I sometimes think that character would have made an interesting Capt/TV series in it self.
Here is an old link (looks like it has not been updated in years, I last was on it in 2004).
http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/timeline.htm
Hope that helps some.
Dave Chase
Greg Cox wrote The Eugenics Wars two books that I know of. If you loved Khan Noonien Singh then you will like this bit of history of Earth and the man.
Greg Cox also wrote Star Trek Assignment: Eternity . Makes you wonder who else is out there
William Shatner wrote various books but the ones that I like was the Star Trek: Odyssey series. Takes place after Kirk dies.
The others I can't remember their names.
I read the series of books on Spock working for the Federation on Romulas. Liked them.
A couple about Scotty, not as much fun to read.
Books on Sulu were good. I sometimes think that character would have made an interesting Capt/TV series in it self.
Here is an old link (looks like it has not been updated in years, I last was on it in 2004).
http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/timeline.htm
Hope that helps some.
Dave Chase
Hmm. For the most part, I have little use for Classic Trek, aside from nostalgia. TNG was fine, with many outstanding episodes. More of an anthology, really, with common characters. DS9 was great, with plot continuity and actual character development. Voyager was largely unwatchable. Enterprise had promise, but it never really took off for me. However, see if you can spot the Bryan Gibson design in the opening credits...
As for the movies, I enjoyed the Slow Motion Picture as a child, but I haven't seen it for years. Wrath of Khan was the best of them, bar none. Search for Spock was OK. Loved the Klingons (all played by comedians...) Voyage Home was fun. Less so after multiple viewings. Trek V? Ye gods. It was awful. A bad Classic Trek Episode, with cheesy effects. Undiscovered Country was fun. Generations was forgettable. So much so that I don't remember anything about it, save that Kirk died. I don't know how, but he did. First Contact was good, one of the few movies that wasn't simply a large TV episode. The other Next Gen movies were basically a waste of time.
As for the movies, I enjoyed the Slow Motion Picture as a child, but I haven't seen it for years. Wrath of Khan was the best of them, bar none. Search for Spock was OK. Loved the Klingons (all played by comedians...) Voyage Home was fun. Less so after multiple viewings. Trek V? Ye gods. It was awful. A bad Classic Trek Episode, with cheesy effects. Undiscovered Country was fun. Generations was forgettable. So much so that I don't remember anything about it, save that Kirk died. I don't know how, but he did. First Contact was good, one of the few movies that wasn't simply a large TV episode. The other Next Gen movies were basically a waste of time.
Rhialto the Marvelous
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I like it precisely because it doesn't have "character development." Rather than soap opera pop psychology (which IMO is what cheesy is) we get iconic characters who are exactly what they are--adventurers.
As a bonus, even though they're perfectly at ease with themselves and what they do they're also funny and don't take themselves too seriously.
Supplement Four
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I've always hated how Kirk died.
He's the consumate starship commander. He needed to die on the bridge, saving the day, the captain going down with his ship.
I always envisioned Kirk ordering Scotty to rig up control of the Enterprise so that only one person can control her.
"I'll see what I can do, cap'n, but she'll never hold. Too much power through the lines, and she'll light up like a Christmas Tree."
Then Kirk orders everyone to beam off the ship. The Fleet is gettings its butt kicked. There's some powerful, almost indestructible force they're fighting.
And, Kirk veers the Enterprise in-between the enemy in order to save the other Federation ship and his crew which recently beamed there.
The Enterprise is destroyed. Slow motion.
But, he buys time for the other ship to escape.
As Spock looks at the viewer, no emotion at all....and then, surprisingly, this animal howl belts out of him.
McCoy, Scotty, Checkov, Sulu, Uhura...all of them look at Spock as if they've never seen him before.
Spock falls to his knees, and says, barely a whisper, "Jim...my friend. He's dead."
If not that, then something akin to that is how Kirk should have gone out. Something heroic. Something fitting his iconic stature in this world's culture.
Him dying in a rock slide on some un-memorable planet just didn't do it for me.
He's the consumate starship commander. He needed to die on the bridge, saving the day, the captain going down with his ship.
I always envisioned Kirk ordering Scotty to rig up control of the Enterprise so that only one person can control her.
"I'll see what I can do, cap'n, but she'll never hold. Too much power through the lines, and she'll light up like a Christmas Tree."
Then Kirk orders everyone to beam off the ship. The Fleet is gettings its butt kicked. There's some powerful, almost indestructible force they're fighting.
And, Kirk veers the Enterprise in-between the enemy in order to save the other Federation ship and his crew which recently beamed there.
The Enterprise is destroyed. Slow motion.
But, he buys time for the other ship to escape.
As Spock looks at the viewer, no emotion at all....and then, surprisingly, this animal howl belts out of him.
McCoy, Scotty, Checkov, Sulu, Uhura...all of them look at Spock as if they've never seen him before.
Spock falls to his knees, and says, barely a whisper, "Jim...my friend. He's dead."
If not that, then something akin to that is how Kirk should have gone out. Something heroic. Something fitting his iconic stature in this world's culture.
Him dying in a rock slide on some un-memorable planet just didn't do it for me.
One, get the Star Trek: Odyssey series, you will feel a bit better after reading them.
Two, Every wonder why in the open scene of the movie that Spock and McCoy are not there but Sulu and Scott. Ever wonder why Kirk just did not seem like Kirk.
Well, the writer for the movie was a huge Star Trek fan. But guess which version. As matter of fact in his own words during several interviews, he did not even go back to the classics (TV) version and study or review. He only viewed the previous movies and did not want to look over the producers notes so that he would not spoil his story.
Nimoy and DeForrest refused to appear in the opening scene, they thought their characters were out of character so the writer rewrote it for the other two. Shatner wanted work and thought it might be fun to do something different with Kirk (mainly he needed more work and was hoping to boost his image with more appearances later, conventions,etc). Which in a way there is nothing wrong with that.
Hope that give you something to look forward to. Some did not like what happen the Odyssey books, but I liked it.
Dave Chase
Unfortunately, Trek is the epitome of Hollywood studio heads chewing their own limbs off by insulting the audiences their predecessors worked so hard to build. Hell, Lucas is doing it to his own work like some amnesiac cleaning out his closet. The Shat has knawed off an arm and is beating himself with it.
And now that they've run out of their own ideas, the comics industry is fully in their sights. Oh the pain!
And now that they've run out of their own ideas, the comics industry is fully in their sights. Oh the pain!
GypsyComet
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You had me up to Spock's line. This being the movies, and always self-referential, that line needs to be "The needs of the many..."
Supplement Four
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I thought I had you at "Hello!"
saundby
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A friend worked long and hard to get me to read The Final Reflection, and it paid off for both of us. I read the Blish and Alan Dean Foster books, and the other Trek books that started appearing in the late 70s when I could still buy and read every SF book that appeared on the shelves at the B. Dalton book store. Later I read a few more that ranged from so-so to absolute garbage, and I gave up media titles completely as a waste of time. Trek to Madworld was the clincher. Kirk vs. the Space Wonka. What a waste of glue and paper! I should have guessed from Gerrold's intro--he carefully sidestepped saying anything about the book itself.
The Final Reflection was a good one. I'm glad I've got friends who are willing to be persistent!
mike wightman
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In order.
DS9, but only the later series - too many duff episodes in the first couple.
Voyager, again the later series.
Enterprise would be my favourite if they had let it run its course.
TOS - especially the remastered version.
TNG - some excellent episodes but too much dross over the 7 series.
Best film, Nemesis, WoK, TVH, Galaxy Quest (had to put that in
)
I like the look of the new film.
DS9, but only the later series - too many duff episodes in the first couple.
Voyager, again the later series.
Enterprise would be my favourite if they had let it run its course.
TOS - especially the remastered version.
TNG - some excellent episodes but too much dross over the 7 series.
Best film, Nemesis, WoK, TVH, Galaxy Quest (had to put that in
)I like the look of the new film.
Supplement Four
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Best film, Nemesis, WoK, TVH, Galaxy Quest (had to put that in
So..you're the one who liked Nemesis.
You realize, don't cha, that Nemesis is just TWoK re-told with Data in Spock's part.
mike wightman
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Yep, but it's still a cracking film
Galaxy Quest is the real gem though
Galaxy Quest is the real gem though
Madarin Dude
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Well just to be different I will say Star Trek the Animated series. (OK it was not that great but hey it gets no love here) I do like that there were some very alien looking aliens and there were some decent episodes.
I like DS9 after season 3 the first two seasons were weak. (the turning point was the arrival of the defiant) I like the Ferengi they are like modern man there to comment on the supposed future generations.
I like TOS it is hit and miss there are some really awful episodes but the good ones are gold. After all the years of seeing it I find I like McCoy more and more.
I really liked TNG when it first came out but after subsequent viewings it seems weaker each time. I find a few of the characters annoying now.
Enterprise is probably the one most consistent but also lacks some of the gems tht DS9 and TOS have.
I was never a fan of Voyager.
Best Movie of course is Galaxy Quest
I like DS9 after season 3 the first two seasons were weak. (the turning point was the arrival of the defiant) I like the Ferengi they are like modern man there to comment on the supposed future generations.
I like TOS it is hit and miss there are some really awful episodes but the good ones are gold. After all the years of seeing it I find I like McCoy more and more.
I really liked TNG when it first came out but after subsequent viewings it seems weaker each time. I find a few of the characters annoying now.
Enterprise is probably the one most consistent but also lacks some of the gems tht DS9 and TOS have.
I was never a fan of Voyager.
Best Movie of course is Galaxy Quest
Drakon
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Gotta second, (actually 5th?) Galaxy Quest as the best Star Trek Movie ever.
I liked the animated series as well, and not real sure why it gets so little respect. You had the original actors, even many of the original writers. Just because it is animated seems to be an excuse to not even give it a chance. Yeah it was cheap animation, but so what? I like science fiction for the stories. Special effects and cool looking sets are all candy, the meat is the stories, the plots, the ideas.
I liked the animated series as well, and not real sure why it gets so little respect. You had the original actors, even many of the original writers. Just because it is animated seems to be an excuse to not even give it a chance. Yeah it was cheap animation, but so what? I like science fiction for the stories. Special effects and cool looking sets are all candy, the meat is the stories, the plots, the ideas.
jfetters
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So..you're the one who liked Nemesis.
You realize, don't cha, that Nemesis is just TWoK re-told with Data in Spock's part.
Holy crap! I hadn't given it much thought before, but yeah! Even down to the ending!
Galaxy Quest is definitely in the top five. For total fanboys (and girls) "Of Gods and Men" is a must see, if only to see how many Trek actors they can put in one fan-flic and how much they all have aged. The whole thing is on YouTube and worth a watch if you don't have something important to do.
spinwardpirate
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I liked some of it. I thought McCoy's scene with his dying father was poignant. And for me, it had the best ending of any Trek movie. Kirk and Spock and McCoy sitting around a campfire... to me it just felt right. Three old friends camping out, pondering retirement.
Supplement Four
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You're right. There are a couple of moments in Trek V that are worthy. As a whole, though, it's one of the worst Trek flicks. It feel like a generic TV episode (not unlike Star Trek Insurrection).
The interplay between the characters, though, is pretty good. Remember, this is the film where Kirk states that he's always known that he'd die alone.
And, he did.
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