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Navy Ranks in a Small Ship

Still and all, I think we're all on the point of it. Officer-only ships exist firmly in the mind of Gene Roddenberry (etc.). I just have a hard time with the idea that Sblt. Studley Vicount Hungwell, IN, might find himself scrubbing freshers or replacing ducting aboard Type T. You simply don't train somebody for that long and at that expense just to have them chip paint with the deck weenies.

But pushing that line of reasoning further, why not simply automate the deck weenies? A robot able to perform the jobs of a person (roughly human size/proportion/strength) could work around the clock, replacing three or four shifs per week. So each robot weenie replaces 3 or 4 human weenies - with less life support and living space. As a robot, they could theoretically swap programs to transfer instantly from being an engineering weenie to a gunnery weenie as needed.

Then the 'all officer ship' makes sense. Officers think, robots obey. (at least until the Virus comes).
 
But pushing that line of reasoning further, why not simply automate the deck weenies? A robot able to perform the jobs of a person (roughly human size/proportion/strength) could work around the clock, replacing three or four shifs per week. So each robot weenie replaces 3 or 4 human weenies - with less life support and living space. As a robot, they could theoretically swap programs to transfer instantly from being an engineering weenie to a gunnery weenie as needed.

Then the 'all officer ship' makes sense. Officers think, robots obey. (at least until the Virus comes).

Roombas in the Third Imperium! There are some samples in this thread somewhere: http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=14735
 
But pushing that line of reasoning further, why not simply automate the deck weenies? A robot able to perform the jobs of a person (roughly human size/proportion/strength) could work around the clock, replacing three or four shifs per week. So each robot weenie replaces 3 or 4 human weenies - with less life support and living space. As a robot, they could theoretically swap programs to transfer instantly from being an engineering weenie to a gunnery weenie as needed.

Then the 'all officer ship' makes sense. Officers think, robots obey. (at least until the Virus comes).

Officers lead first and foremost. And you'd have a hard time programming an expert system to handle damage control. Or Jump drive maintenance for that matter.

Even if you could swap out programs that easily, the arguement then proceeds to a starship-sized robot that requires NO biological input. And if a 50kton, spinal mount equipped Bruiser were possible, the Hivers would have done it by now. /shrug
 
I just have a hard time with the idea that Sblt. Studley Vicount Hungwell, IN, might find himself scrubbing freshers or replacing ducting aboard Type T. You simply don't train somebody for that long and at that expense just to have them chip paint with the deck weenies.

Officers lead first and foremost. And you'd have a hard time programming an expert system to handle damage control. Or Jump drive maintenance for that matter.

So which is it?
Are the 'deck weenies' scrubbing freshers, replacing ducting and chipping paint, or are they handling damage control and Jump drive maintenance?

The first suggests a ship needs lots of minimum skill 'non officers' that could easily be replaced by minimum skill 'robots'. The second suggests that every member of the crew is a highly trained professional - all NCOs and Officers.
 
smacks head with hand - I've just opened up Leviathan, all crew ranks and stations listed.

Although who wants to be promoted to position of 'drive lackey'????
 
So which is it?
Are the 'deck weenies' scrubbing freshers, replacing ducting and chipping paint, or are they handling damage control and Jump drive maintenance?

The first suggests a ship needs lots of minimum skill 'non officers' that could easily be replaced by minimum skill 'robots'. The second suggests that every member of the crew is a highly trained professional - all NCOs and Officers.

Both really. As I said earlier, I tend to favor the submarine/destroyer/PT Boat model for spacegoing ship manning tables. I live in the NW where we have a lot of bubbleheads (submariners... I myself originally came up in tanks then went SF), so I've got a bit of a brain-trust to bounce ideas off of. What these guys say is that everyone has a primary duty skill (say, Electrician.. that one ought to exist according to Book 5), and has a ship maintenance task (unlucky you, it's fresher duty this week) that must be done every day. In addition, each has a battle station (most often his duty station, sometimes not) and a damage control assignment. Just like a submarine, starships are highly technical, complex machines that require constant fiddling and fixing. Essentially, if you're on a ship and you're awake, something needs doing.

So, if Electrician's Mate/2 Enerii Doe is having a really bad day aboard the E.E. Evans, a P.F. Sloan-class Fleet Escort, he could wake up, eat a meal, do his maintenance task in the freshers (that's this week, next week it might be paint), report to his duy station in the ship's computer room (where he's been running down a short for the last watch-and-a-half) and have to fight a fire in the mess spaces under the Computer Officer (who is the DC officer for those bulkhead spaces) when that short causes a fire in the lighting. And since the new maintenance roster comes out by his next watch, he'll likely find himself cleaning the scorch marks off the overhead and painting it the next day... :)

The point is that everyone aboard a starship is a well-trained, often times highly-trained, technician. Officers leading these technicians need to be both leadership material and technically competent themselves. These officers are expected to be able to do any task in their department better than the enlisted man who does it daily. This is a high, rarely reached standard, but it IS the standard nevertheless. When you have a problem with your missile bay guidance software, you want the Gunnery and Computer Officers working on that, not changing task program packages in a Rashush [a popular OTU Naasirka household and valet-bot].

Because of the simple enormity of the tasks aboard a modern warship, I just don't see where robots could do all of it. Yes, starships would have to be very automated or the cost/benefit ratio of the energy of life support needed per man vs the number of men needed to operate the ship would not pay off, but as the book says about battle dress: It ain't the suit, it's the soldier in it that makes the difference. Besides, and I repeat, if you could automate a Tigress the Hivers would have done it already.

But of course it's YOUR TU. Just because I don't agree doesn't make it wrong.
 
Don't you guys remember the "M-5" episode in Star Trek? No way I'm having a robot crew.......

Well, look at all the automated combattants already in the OTU... Zhodani warbots, K'kree drone fighters, Hiver Bruisers... I'm not a gearhead (technology is a plot device in my campaigns, not the plot itself) but I'm pretty sure there is a disconnect somewhere in the processing capability that doesn't allow for a Hiver battle-rider squadron of automated cruisers with biologicals only aboard the tender. We already know that automated navigation tapes produce flawed jump coordinates, after all.

And yeah, call me a member of the Sovereignty of Man Over Machine kind of guy, but automated capital warships have been grist for the sci-fi mill too long for me to trust them.
 
Just stumbled upon an original JTAS article written about running a naval crew as a campaign concept, suggestions for ranks etc: The Military in Traveller: Naval Command, pg 30, Issue 23.
 
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