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far-trader
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So that's what you've been frittering away your time on...
Cool. I was looking for the Purity, then I realized, of course, it's the Purity that's shooting the propa... er, inspirational film
Cool. I was looking for the Purity, then I realized, of course, it's the Purity that's shooting the propa... er, inspirational film
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Damn Confederation Navy.
What does it take to get those damn Solomani to realize they are whooped? I mean we occupied Terra and they still don't get it!
Fantastic as usual Andrew, in fact so good that I am almost inclined to forgive your traitorous propaganda.
What does it take to get those damn Solomani to realize they are whooped? I mean we occupied Terra and they still don't get it!
Fantastic as usual Andrew, in fact so good that I am almost inclined to forgive your traitorous propaganda.
Yes, well...
We will see what happens then shall we? Maybe they will settle down and we won't have to invade it again. I mean it is all well and good that they are the birthworld of all humaniti, but that was a long time ago. Now they need to settle down and realize that the universe is a big place and Terra is a small world. :devil:
We will see what happens then shall we? Maybe they will settle down and we won't have to invade it again. I mean it is all well and good that they are the birthworld of all humaniti, but that was a long time ago. Now they need to settle down and realize that the universe is a big place and Terra is a small world. :devil:
Or why Dulinor must hang...
I, Your Grace, am a Loyalist & Servant of the Iridium Throne to the end and the Third Imperium shall continue as long we keep faith with our Emperor Strephon and Norris, Duke of Regina & Regent of the Imperium. This messy little Rebellion will end some day, and then we will see about this supposed fait accompli. :devil:
I, Your Grace, am a Loyalist & Servant of the Iridium Throne to the end and the Third Imperium shall continue as long we keep faith with our Emperor Strephon and Norris, Duke of Regina & Regent of the Imperium. This messy little Rebellion will end some day, and then we will see about this supposed fait accompli. :devil:
Frankymole
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Last time I played "Invasion: Earth", the Solomani player won
Lovely recruitment film but Egypt doesn't appear to have its flooded sea!
Starviking
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Very nice Andrew!
Yes, and IMO most Terrans won't like that one little bit. Sure, there'll be a small fringe group of Solomani sympathisers who'll be ecstatic, but not a lot. Many will probably be at least a little pleased at first, but that won't last long.
Consider: The Imperium had spent generations on wooing Terra, and they had made it. Terra had been returned to civilian control, relationships with the Imperium were cordial, etc.. And then what happens? This bunch of goose-stepping Solomani-uber-alles types moves in, confident that THEY know what's best for Terra. What's the bet that they start rooting out 'impsymps' and generally throwing their weight about to an intolerable degree? Certainly the powers that be of The Solomani Confederation is not going to relinguish control of it to Terra. No, Terra is going to be an occupied world for a long time to come, a hotspot of Imperial sympathy, and a really, really embarassing symbol for the Solomani cause...
Hans
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Madarin Dude
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Earth will take a special place in the Solomani confederation and have special privileges. It will serve as a crossroads between the Imerium and the Solomani.
Andrew Boulton
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Er...the tide's gone out...?
Easterner9504
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Terra
There are villages in Lebanon that attacked and burned neighboring villages in revenge for their original attacks in the 1st century BC back in 1980's and boasted of this too. Serbs whine of Croat murders in the 90's, that took place in WW2. Southerners embraced the Lost Cause and The South Shall Rise Again for a century. Human nature doesn't change and Terrans will not Impify in 100 years most of which was an occupation. Memories and word of mouth will keep the hate alive. Just as Putin put autocracy back in Russia ASAP after Yeltsin left.
There are villages in Lebanon that attacked and burned neighboring villages in revenge for their original attacks in the 1st century BC back in 1980's and boasted of this too. Serbs whine of Croat murders in the 90's, that took place in WW2. Southerners embraced the Lost Cause and The South Shall Rise Again for a century. Human nature doesn't change and Terrans will not Impify in 100 years most of which was an occupation. Memories and word of mouth will keep the hate alive. Just as Putin put autocracy back in Russia ASAP after Yeltsin left.
There are also plenty of examples of people who became bosom friends with the people their grandfathers hated. You're right, human nature does not change. 99% of humanity is happy to go along with anything as long as they get theirs. It largely depends on how those people treated you recently. Terra had "Impified". If it hadn't, the occupation wouldn't have been lifted. It's as simple as that. And everything else follows naturally from that. Human nature also dictates that the non-Terran Solomani troops will make themselves obnoxious on Terra, unless the leaders at Home are preternaturally astute.
Hans
Easterner9504
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The highly educated and elites tend to act as you say, yet note every time the Euro-Union puts up a vote the Danes, Irish etc vote NO. The Sollies would have to treat Earth as Nazi occupied Ukraine to blow it big time. (which indeed is not impossible).
Common people told their kids Vilani are sub-human and they are a master race, they tell their kids so on and so forth. So the commoners fed on home stories of Wolfe, Alien envy, Terran Supremacy and 1st Interstellar Wars will easily assimilate while the elites who see the Imperium as stable and less jack-booted will flee or get sent to the 'camps.'
Hate is learned at home! 100 years is not enough there are still a few alive who remember the Rim War.
The highly educated and elites tend to act as you say, yet note every time the Euro-Union puts up a vote the Danes, Irish etc vote NO. The Sollies would have to treat Earth as Nazi occupied Ukraine to blow it big time. (which indeed is not impossible).
Common people told their kids Vilani are sub-human and they are a master race, they tell their kids so on and so forth. So the commoners fed on home stories of Wolfe, Alien envy, Terran Supremacy and 1st Interstellar Wars will easily assimilate while the elites who see the Imperium as stable and less jack-booted will flee or get sent to the 'camps.'
Hate is learned at home! 100 years is not enough there are still a few alive who remember the Rim War.
I put the 'Impify' in quotation marks for a reason. I'm not suggesting that Terra, in 1110, had come to identify with the Imperium. But, except for the lunatic fringe that all societies suffer from, they had reached an accomodation with it. Left to itself, it would undoubtedly have continued to think in term of us and the Imperium (Though there's no reason to believe that, absent Solomani Party goons and Solomani Cause education, they'd identify with the Solomani cause either). But they weren't left to themselves. Think about it for a moment. How would the British feel if they were invaded by the EEC, became sufficiently reconciled to them that the occupation was lifted and the occupation troops went home, then 'liberated' by America and kept occupied by the Americans? Do you really think that the relative benevolence of the occupation troops would matter? The Germans treated Denmark with kid gloves during the first half of WWII, and opposition still kept growing steadily.
EDIT: Even better analogy: How would the Scots react to being liberated from England by the French (The Auld Alliance, you know)? The Scottish Nationalists might be happy at first, but what about the general public? And how long would the Nationalists stay happy if the French stayed on and began teaching them to be proper Catholics? (I know the last part is a bit of a stretch, but fanatically held ideology is not that different from religion).
Danes no longer hate the Swedes for stealing Scania from us, despite whatever atrocities they committed. AFAIK the Scanians themselves no longer hate the Swedes and don't consider themselves to be Danes any longer (except for a small "lunatic" fringe (I put that in quotes because I think even the fringe is being tongue in cheek)). A hundred years of abuse may keep hatred alive easily, but a hundred years of decent treatment is a long time. Who on Terra would care about the Invasion? We Danes don't even care about the reaming the Germans gave us back in 1864 any more (not much, anyway
).A hundred years can be enough. A generation can be enough. And, as I keep pointing out, the Imperium wouldn't have lifted the occupation if it hadn't been enough. Where's your evidence that the general population of Terra taught their children to hate the Imperium? A small fringe of Solomani fanatics, sure, but not the general population.
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Madarin Dude
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Interesting points looks like I stirred up a can of worms. I always felt to be on the Solomani side because well I am after all Solomani. Fighting for earth would be nigh impossible it is something too precious to the Solomani to risk its destruction. So if it gets back into Solomani hands it would most likely be through peaceful means maybe some big deals between the Imperium and the Sols to get it back into the Solomani hands.
I also see a sort of semi autonomy akin to the Hong Kong model so it can serve as a crossroads. In the Solomani eyes earth is much more valuable than it is to the Imperium. To the Sols it is home in the real sense. I see that the Somomani would treat Earth special to keep it within their fold.
I also see a sort of semi autonomy akin to the Hong Kong model so it can serve as a crossroads. In the Solomani eyes earth is much more valuable than it is to the Imperium. To the Sols it is home in the real sense. I see that the Somomani would treat Earth special to keep it within their fold.
Mssr. Boulton, your recruitment film is a very nice piece of work, even if you made it for Solomani Jackboots. As an Imperial of Solomani and, admittedly, Vilani extraction, I would like to see if you are willing to work for an Imperial. If you feel that common humanity is more important than Solomani or Imperial ideology.
(I am, first of all, wondering if the location of that Barony I got for wishing Marc Miller happy birthday a couple of years ago got recorded, or if it can be changed, and second thinking that you guys are taking the Solomani vs. Imperial thing too seriously.)
(I am, first of all, wondering if the location of that Barony I got for wishing Marc Miller happy birthday a couple of years ago got recorded, or if it can be changed, and second thinking that you guys are taking the Solomani vs. Imperial thing too seriously.)
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