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[rancke]

Interesting points looks like I stirred up a can of worms. I always felt to be on the Solomani side because well I am after all Solomani. Fighting for earth would be nigh impossible it is something too precious to the Solomani to risk its destruction. So if it gets back into Solomani hands it would most likely be through peaceful means maybe some big deals between the Imperium and the Sols to get it back into the Solomani hands.

The takeover in 1117 (in the OTU) was military. And I'm not saying that I think the Solomani troops weren't treated like liberators at first. I'm saying that as the years go by and the Solomani troops remain and the Solomani Party and SolSec remakes Terra into a proper member of the Solomani Confederation, the memory of those days of Imperial membership are going to get rosier and rosier ("Remember how the Imperium left us alone and didn't interfere with our autonomy?" "Yeah, those were the days..." <Looks fearfully over shoulder>). That's human nature too.


Hans

 

[aramis]

that autonomoy was less than 10 years... and was still accompanied by a strong Imperial Marine presence. And Terra was never more than 2j4 from the confederation.

 

[rancke]

that autonomoy was less than 10 years... and was still accompanied by a strong Imperial Marine presence. And Terra was never more than 2j4 from the confederation.

What's that got to do with anything? I'm not saying that that brief period of autonomy actually was a golden age; I'm saying that as the years go by, it's going to be remembered in rosier and rosier terms. I just don't see the Terra that was so reconciled to the Imperium that the occupation was lifted as a Terra that the Solomani Party and SolSec are going to keep their hands off. Which, incidentally, raises another point: It's not just seven short years of autonomy that the Terrans are going to remember fondly. The Terrans didn't just go to bed one night in 1110 hating the Imperium and wake up the next morning reconciled to it. For the Imperium to lift the occupation they must have been wooing and winning the hearts and minds of the Terrans for at least a generation.


Hans

 

[aramis]

Whether its seen as relevant or not depends a lot upon the nature of the prior 110 ears of occupation.

The impression I've always gotten was one of most of that being a rather brutal ocupation, since guerilla activities continued into the early 1100's; the autonomy being a last ditch effort rather than a reward for good behavior.

Think Ukraine, not Israel, for the mode of both occupation and autonomy. (Timescale is almost correct, too...)

 

[Easterner9504]

Re-unification

Actually E. & W. Germany are an example of re-unification. The West wanted it, got it, had to pay for it, Ossies and Westies found they didn't like each other yet I haven't heard they still have troubles and I suspect Konigsberg is still wanted back.

German travellers comments?

Is Poland the Vegans?

 

[aramis]

I ued the Ukraine simply because it's a case in exemplis of a conquered nation remaining true to it's ethnocultural origins despite about 120 years of occupation... and further, having been the parent culture of the occupier, Russia. The parallels with the Ukraine and Russia and the Terra/3I are intriguing. 100+ years of occupation brought both compliance and hatred, simultaneously.

 

[rancke]

Whether its seen as relevant or not depends a lot upon the nature of the prior 110 ears of occupation.

I agree, as indicated in a previous post of mine. And what do we know about the prior 110 years of occupation? We know that they culminated in the Imperium lifting the occupation and enrolling Terra as a member world.

The impression I've always gotten was one of most of that being a rather brutal ocupation, since guerilla activities continued into the early 1100's; the autonomy being a last ditch effort rather than a reward for good behavior.

And you got this impression how? What canon material implied this to you? Because the History of the Terran Occupation Force in TD#13 certainly does not agree with that impression. "There have been no legitimate anti-Imperial acts on Terra for over 20 years"; "The Marines became increasingly involved in public relief programs [...] Such activities paid inestimable dividends to the Marine occupation, and community relations, initially rather cold, became quite warm"; "Today the Terran occupation is considered a rather pleasant tour of duty in the Marines"; "Terra, now friendly, is a civilized and highly developed world..."; "Law enforcement on Terra has long since been returned to native police units..."; "These patrols often stop at such sites as orphanages and youth centers as part of their community relations mission, and any town that suffers a natural disaster (although these are quite rare given Terra's high technology) usually finds that a Marine disaster relief column is the very first help to arrive"; "The Terran faction of [the Solomani Party] has gone so far as to refer to the Marines as "our brothers who have helped us to create a more prosperous life for the Solomani people here on Terra".


Hans

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Embarassing, but true.

Last time I played "Invasion: Earth", the Solomani player won

Lovely recruitment film but Egypt doesn't appear to have its flooded sea!

In the five rounds I played with a friend of Imperium, the Terrans were winning...damned barbarians.

Now I have to go and read the rest of the posts...

 

[Blue Ghost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fdcNAnP-og

Heh, a lot cooler than the Vargr recruitment vid; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yie5-_QDXWQ

 

[Jame]

(I am wondering if the location of that Barony I got for wishing Marc Miller happy birthday a couple of years ago got recorded, or if it can be changed.)

Not to sidetrack this discussion but I'm still wondering this.

 

[far-trader]

I am, first of all, wondering if the location of that Barony I got for wishing Marc Miller happy birthday a couple of years ago got recorded, or if it can be changed...

Not to sidetrack this discussion but I'm still wondering this.

Recorded by who? Where did you submit it to? That would be where to ask. Unless you "filed" it here in a post. Because there's nothing official about such a statement made in a post here. If that is the case you could just make another post and change it, or edit the original. But there'd be nothing stopping another or several others from saying the same, piece of paper or not.

Far as I know there's no such official thing done. The closest I could think is if you create a world write up for that world and include the Barony in it and submit it to the new Land Grab and it somehow makes it into a canon publication.

Really, the piece of paper some of us got is just a piece of paper. A nice bit of game fluff. A nice present from Marc. You used to be able to get them ages ago for a couple bucks by writing in and registering as a Citizen of the Imperium but even then afaik there were no official records kept. It was just a fan club sort of thing.

Hope that helps answer your wondering

 

[Jame]

Really, the piece of paper some of us got is just a piece of paper. A nice bit of game fluff. A nice present from Marc. You used to be able to get them ages ago for a couple bucks by writing in and registering as a Citizen of the Imperium but even then afaik there were no official records kept. It was just a fan club sort of thing.

Hope that helps answer your wondering

It shoots it deaddeaddead. You Far-Trader you.

How fortunate of you, that this is what I wanted!:devil: