What are canon sources?

[aramis]

You guys have any idea how confusing all of this can be for someone new? o:

Pick your edition... and sub edition... and don't worry about it...

The big problem is that in Traveller and Real Life both, "Tons" and "Tonnage" is a meaningless term unless qualified by some other label.

Real World:

• Long Ton, British ton: 2240 pounds
• Short Ton, American ton: 2000 pounds
• freight Ton (FT), Measurement Ton: 40 cubic feet
• Registry Ton (RT): 100 cubic feet of cargo space
• [American] shipping ton: 40 cubic feet
• British shipping ton: 42 cubic feet
• Displacement Ton (dT): 35 cubic feet
• Metric Ton: 1000kg, 1 Megagram, 1Mg
• Ton (explosive): 4.184 gigajoules (GJ) or roughly 4 million Btu.
• Ton refrigeration (RT): 12 000 Btu per hour (Btu/h or "Btuh"), 3.516 853 kilowatts

(thanks to Rowlett's Dictionary of Units)

Traveller has the same issue, in that the Tons in Ship Design are 14 cubic meter (CT, MGT, TNE, T4, T20), 13.5 cubic meter (MT only), or 500 cubic foot (GT) Displacement Tons (typically fan-labelled Td), and in MT, TNE, T4, and GT, also in megagrams mass.

 

[BardicHeart]

Oh... that helped... I need an asprin. o:

 

[Cryton]

Oh... that helped... I need an asprin. o:

Yeah, you should have been there the first time Will and I went off on what "Ton" didn't mean...It was way to late and we had way to much coffee. But his point is very valid. Especially when concerning cannon.

A lot of these cannon debates are simply exercises in debate. More often than not BOTH sides are correct, depending on the edition of Traveller they are arguing from.
Until Mr Miller or one of his representatives steps forward with an official "corrected cannon", the best anyone can actually do and be helpful is ask you what edition you use, and refer you from there. That or point out this link:

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=23843

 

[Andrew Boulton]

Then they might have included a jump drive hit or a jump mishap chance on the surface damage results of the ship combat tables

(Something like each surface jump drive hit increases the task difficulty to jump until repairs are made.)

It's in the back of SOM. And, to be fair, Marc didn't put rules for it in HG either.

 

[mike wightman]

That's 'cos it wasn't an issue in HG.

But it should have been in the MT core rules if the folks at DGP had thought about it from the perspective of their own rules.

 

[Andrew Boulton]

That's 'cos it wasn't an issue in HG.

It was after JTAS#24 came out.

SOM solved the problem.

 

[Ishmael]

I always figured that if the jump grid is integral to the hull and possibly embedded into it, then the grid would only be damaged if the hull were breached. The hull being breach would be indicated by interior damage as opposed to merely surface damage ( which I took to be sensor arrays and turrets, etc, being scraped off )

 

[HG_B]

I always figured that if the jump grid is integral to the hull and possibly embedded into it, then the grid would only be damaged if the hull were breached. The hull being breach would be indicated by interior damage as opposed to merely surface damage ( which I took to be sensor arrays and turrets, etc, being scraped off )

I just used the J-Drive "Hit". I figured some of those were grid hits that reduced the Jump capability of the ship...

 

[Dragoner]

I always figured that if the jump grid is integral to the hull and possibly embedded into it, then the grid would only be damaged if the hull were breached. The hull being breach would be indicated by interior damage as opposed to merely surface damage ( which I took to be sensor arrays and turrets, etc, being scraped off )

Thinking of the jump as a bubble, I always figured it either works or not with breaks in the grid. Generally any system like that would have x amount of redundancy built in.

 

[Ishmael]

I was just putting my idea out as to why there is no j-drive damage with a surface hit.
I actually just use the tables as is ( well, for slightly houseruled version of alternate 'Fusion Guard' rules designed by Bruce Macintosh )

http://webspace.webring.com/people/lc/ca_barnett/misc/mcp.txt

 

[Gray Lensman]

Thus your mashup design system is wonderful for you, and it might be worth some time to write it up for others to look over and decide if they want to use it for their Traveller universes - it just wouldn't be canon for the official Traveller universe unless Marc decided it was.

The ONE time I tried to write up something for this game, I could not even get a simple response to a single, simple Email. Bleh, NEVER AGAIN (unless I decide to go the OGL route, in which case I will write it up and let the public decide via their pockets).

I consider any additional time in this thread a waste of mine.