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What are canon sources?

And therein lies part of the problem.

Yes, it's both problem and marvelous at the same time. I say marvelous because having a single person with the power and authority to say "this is so" can help things be more consistent.

Like a lot of things in life, it's a two-edged sword.
 
Yes, it's both problem and marvelous at the same time. I say marvelous because having a single person with the power and authority to say "this is so" can help things be more consistent.

Like a lot of things in life, it's a two-edged sword.

Yes, the buck has got to stop somewhere, otherwise, as the saying goes:"a camel is horse made by commitee."
 
Yes, the buck has got to stop somewhere, otherwise, as the saying goes: "a camel is horse made by commitee."

Your committee came up with a camel? Lucky you. As far as our committee -- we're not sure what it is and none of us are willing to ride it, but we spend a lot of time cleaning up after it.
 
Your committee came up with a camel? Lucky you. As far as our committee -- we're not sure what it is and none of us are willing to ride it, but we spend a lot of time cleaning up after it.

It's got 4 legs, a tail, a wide strong back, eats plants, and takes commands. Never mind the scales....
 
Your committee came up with a camel? Lucky you. As far as our committee -- we're not sure what it is and none of us are willing to ride it, but we spend a lot of time cleaning up after it.

But what we needed was Friesian Warhorse. :D
 
Question:

The new "Sector Fleet" from Mongoose changes stuff on fleet size, deployment etc. from elder stuff like "FSofSE". Does this mean SF is now the canon source?
 
Some things Marc has repeatedly said are NOT canon:
1. Anything under 100 tons jumping. 101-ton jump torpedoes might work, but 99-ton jump torpedoes simply don't.
2. DGP's Aslan art has the hands/paws wrong. I've repeatedly had this explained to me, but I still don't picture it properly.

So with 1 then we need special rules for Scout Couriers in combat - if they suffer any hull damage then they go sub 100 tons and so can't jump until they get back to 100 tons. Time to break out the hull patches or colourful balloons...

With 2, I assume the CT Alien module gets the hands right. Maybe someone can post a comparison pic?
 
So with 1 then we need special rules for Scout Couriers in combat - if they suffer any hull damage then they go sub 100 tons and so can't jump until they get back to 100 tons.

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Please show where damage = less volume. If you poke a hole in a 100 ton hull, it still encloses 100 tons of volume. Have you ever heard of a dispersed structure hull in Traveller and do you know what it is? ;)
 
CT Alien Modules

So tell me how much or how little of the original Alien Modules are still considered canonical?
 
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Please show where damage = less volume. If you poke a hole in a 100 ton hull, it still encloses 100 tons of volume. Have you ever heard of a dispersed structure hull in Traveller and do you know what it is? ;)

Blast a hole in the hull and it has lost at least the volume of material where the hole now is. If you blast off the door of the airlock then it's lost the volume represented by the door and the exterior hull now conforms to the surface of the inner airlock - so you've lost the airlock volume too. Now I'll admit there could be quibbling about that - but to take an extreme case - blow 5 tons off the ship and it defintely is sub-100 tons.

Regarding the dispersed hull structure - I've always assumed that the dispersed sections of the ship and the supporting structure add up to the total tonnage - not that it encloses a volume that represents the total tonnage. Unless the latter is the case I don't think it has bearing on the matter.
 
Blast a hole in the hull and it has lost at least the volume of material where the hole now is. If you blast off the door of the airlock then it's lost the volume represented by the door and the exterior hull now conforms to the surface of the inner airlock - so you've lost the airlock volume too. Now I'll admit there could be quibbling about that - but to take an extreme case - blow 5 tons off the ship and it defintely is sub-100 tons.
IIRC then SOM says something about the jump grid guiding the jump field to bridge such holes.


Hans
 
There's also an answer in official Q&A (I think on one megatraveller journal) that explained the jump field can form even if large holes in the hull break the jump gird, as the field can englobe the surface, making for the section lost (not sure if it can be considered canon).

BTW the question answered was: why there are no jump hits on surface explosion tables? (remeber, I'm talking about MT).
 
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Blast a hole in the hull and it has lost at least the volume of material where the hole now is.

No, your talking mass not volume. The jump field has to still encompass the 100t hull. The net still forms per the grid. Your answer regarding dispersed structures show you have confused displacement (volume) with mass.
 
Yes, it's both problem and marvelous at the same time. I say marvelous because having a single person with the power and authority to say "this is so" can help things be more consistent.

Like a lot of things in life, it's a two-edged sword.


Not when you take into account that Mr Miller can, and IIRC has changed his mind and decaonized something that was previously considered canon, or, decides that something not previously listed as canon now suddenly is.

Don't work that way, which is the whole reason I decided a loong time ago to do what I want in my games and to heck with the whole canon argument.

Shucks, even my ship design blows every thing up book 2 crew rules, MT for most things, incorporating TNE surface area and fusion power plant fuel, ect, ect, ect. ;)
 
Am I correct that you Have written for the game?

But your not sure if something is canon?

No offense intended, but how can both of the above be true?

Unless it is because Traveller Canon is/always has been a bastardized mesh between what has been published (by whatever source) and what the creator "felt" at the moment.

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Originally Posted by DonM
So, bearing all of that in mind, here's some simple facts about canon:
1. It is, at any given moment, what Marc decides.
2. Marc reserves the right to change his mind.


I am having this same problem on a fantasy board right now, everybody swears to their particular diety that their favorite version is the "ONLY" version and every other version is "BS".
So, what good is an OTU when noone can even agree what that should be?
 
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